Shelagh Fogarty on LBC discussing Scottish rapist case

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Good discussion going on at the moment. Shelagh referring to 'biological men' in women's prisons. Two very angry and articulate women callers so far, just horrified at the situation, feeling quite rightly that women prisoners are being hung out to dry

No 'be kind' or hand wringing so far. Makes such a change Hope it continues for the rest of the hour

Good responses from David Blunkett and (perhaps more significantly) Yvette Cooper.

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Quite simply, if you don't believe that this person should be in a woman jail then you don't believe TWAW .

Yes, I think so.

Even more relevant to me was learning yesterday (I think on Tom Swarbrick's show) that trans men are housed in women's prisons. Which is an implicit recognition that 1. they are women and 2. that men are a threat to women.

@Cuppasoupmonster I understand that feeling.

David Blunkett actually said

in the end, women’s equality trumps it all.

That is a wonderful thing.

He was also so very clear that sex and gender are entirely different things, but without being dismissive or rude about those who feel they want to be a different gender.

Blunkett made me cry. Sickening though that it takes a man to say what women have been trying to say for years.

'Blunkett made me cry. Sickening though that it takes a man to say what women have been trying to say for years.'

I know. Just shows how completely unseen and irrelevant we have been made to feel for so long. Women's equality trumps all - what a life-changing, world-changing message that is

It'll be interesting to see if he gets Rape threats, accusations of bigotry and transphobia, or if that's reserved for women.

Precisely. Everybody knows what a woman is really. Some people pretend not to and try to gaslight the majority into thinking that the meaning of the word has changed - or was always what they claim it is now, even more bizarrely. No need for qualifiers like biological or natal - everybody knows what you mean.

Shelagh talking about it again now.

Listening now ...

Male caller who IDs as trans - there are plenty of cis female rapists out there too
Shelagh - no, that is just not true, I just cannot allow you to say that. Send me the data, if you have it, and I'll apologise to you, but you won't find it because it doesn't exist
Then she cuts the caller off

MORE OF THIS, PLEASE! Journalists, do your job and challenge wild, nonsensical lies, and don't stand for it

Thanks for sharing the petition. Signed!

I loved it this afternoon when some woke bro rung up and told Shelagh she had a penis obsession. She was more polite than I would have been. They can't help themselves.

This is so very important - it's reached almost 75,000 signatures now, please keep sharing.

The Scottish rapist’s crimes are to be recorded as having been carried out by a woman.
Time to make clear that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex.
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Quite simply, if you don't believe that this person should be in a woman jail then you don't believe TWAW

Yup. And some are getting themselves into a right old pickle insisting they never said TWAW. Peter Tatchell for one insisted on LBC he never said that... but there are recordings of him saying precisely that!