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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mark Hamill is a “transphobe” for liking JK’s tweet

118 replies

PissedOffAmericanWoman · 25/01/2023 15:18

India Whilloughby Made a tweet saying that they are more of a woman than JK Rowling.

JK said “Citation needed”

Mark Hamill liked the tweet. Fans thought it might be an accident. But to their dismay it was not as he liked other tweets in the passed. Not they are sad because they HAVE to cancel him.

It must be exhausting being a TRA. It’s nice to kick back and just enjoy life not worrying about trying to force everyone to think like me. It’s actually a huge relief.

www.foxnews.com/media/mark-hamill-facing-cancel-culture-wrath-liking-transphobic-jk-rowling-tweet.amp

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MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:16

Johnnysgirl · 25/01/2023 17:14

Always first in line with the whataboutery... Boring.

You can choose literally any group of people and with enough time find news articles where they have apparently done something bad. It doesn't prove anything because it's a biased approach and cherry-picking.

TinaYouFatLard · 25/01/2023 17:17

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NancyDrawed · 25/01/2023 17:19

I haven't been following the case but if this is accurate then it may be possible this individual isn't trans at all but potentially just a chancer

Now extrapolate that to ALL the men who call themselves women - how any of them are sufferers of gender dysphoria and how many are just chancers? How can you tell?

And for prisons - sod the case by case excuse and Keep Prisons Single Sex. Problem solved!

maltravers · 25/01/2023 17:19

That’s what GC women have been saying - that predatory men/chancers will take advantage so natal women must be protected. We’re not equating trans with the predatory men, although presumably the usual proportion of males will be a danger to women, however they identify.

LaughingPriest · 25/01/2023 17:21

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:15

"What with the rapist who suddenly decided he was a woman halfway through his rape trial,"

I haven't been following the case but if this is accurate then it may be possible this individual isn't trans at all but potentially just a chancer. This is why prisons decide on a case-by-case basis which prison transpeople should go to.

But it's not possible to lie about being trans, is it, Marg?

Do you not believe that if you say you are trans then you are? Or that if you say you are a woman, you are? (Don't panic... I know won't be able to answer!)

SpideyCraw · 25/01/2023 17:24

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:16

You can choose literally any group of people and with enough time find news articles where they have apparently done something bad. It doesn't prove anything because it's a biased approach and cherry-picking.

The difference is Nick Griffin is saying that immigrants are bad. No one is saying trans people are bad, far from it. Simply that trans women remain physically male and that sometimes that affects their access to womens spaces. Being an immigrant is not relevant to the crime committed. Being male is very relevant to the crime of forcing your penis inside of someone.

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:27

maltravers · 25/01/2023 17:19

That’s what GC women have been saying - that predatory men/chancers will take advantage so natal women must be protected. We’re not equating trans with the predatory men, although presumably the usual proportion of males will be a danger to women, however they identify.

-The predatory chancers aren't trans, they're just predatory chancers as you say.

-Permitting transpeople to live life as the sex they identify as including which facilities they use has not been proven to put women in danger here or abroad (including countries where transpeople don't face the extreme scrutiny as they do here). It isn't backed by evidence.

-Predatory chancers who may potentially commit a serious crime like rape aren't going to follow whatever the rules are for transpeople are they? They aren't going to go through all the time and effort to live as a woman or obey any rules that say they can't access a certain area, if they're a rapist they will do what they want.

SpideyCraw · 25/01/2023 17:29

The predatory chancers aren't trans, they're just predatory chancers

so being trans is mutually exclusive with being a predator?

Obviously most trans people aren’t predators, but how do we know which are genuinely trans?

Isnt the evidence that trans women offend against women at a similar rate to males as a whole? Why do you think someone identifying as trans is some kind of protective factor such that they are Les than a risk than any other anatomically male person?

SpideyCraw · 25/01/2023 17:30

*less

Johnnysgirl · 25/01/2023 17:35

Christ alive! Predatory trans people aren't actually trans, they're just chancers..
Wtf? And very transphobic actually, how presumptuous of you to suggest someone who declares themselves trans are actually only pretending!
Isn't Self-ID one of your goals @MargaritaPie ??
Have you any notion of what it actually means?

MrsKeats · 25/01/2023 17:36

No he's correct. And brave.

Johnnysgirl · 25/01/2023 17:36

Predatory chancers who may potentially commit a serious crime like rape aren't going to follow whatever the rules are for transpeople are they? They aren't going to go through all the time and effort to live as a woman or obey any rules that say they can't access a certain area, if they're a rapist they will do what they want
What "time and effort", exactly?

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:37

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:27

-The predatory chancers aren't trans, they're just predatory chancers as you say.

-Permitting transpeople to live life as the sex they identify as including which facilities they use has not been proven to put women in danger here or abroad (including countries where transpeople don't face the extreme scrutiny as they do here). It isn't backed by evidence.

-Predatory chancers who may potentially commit a serious crime like rape aren't going to follow whatever the rules are for transpeople are they? They aren't going to go through all the time and effort to live as a woman or obey any rules that say they can't access a certain area, if they're a rapist they will do what they want.

Has this post been reported for its appalling transphobia?

Who the hell do you think you are to declare that someone who says they are trans isn't, in fact, trans?

What gives you that right?

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:38

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:15

"What with the rapist who suddenly decided he was a woman halfway through his rape trial,"

I haven't been following the case but if this is accurate then it may be possible this individual isn't trans at all but potentially just a chancer. This is why prisons decide on a case-by-case basis which prison transpeople should go to.

Of course you haven't been following the case. Why would you? It's only the very real, direct and actual consequences of the ideology you spend your life promoting on here.

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:39

Oh and he's in a women's prison. Of course. Because fuck female prisoners, right?

Florissant · 25/01/2023 17:39

Johnnysgirl · 25/01/2023 17:14

Always first in line with the whataboutery... Boring.

Not only is "whatabouttery" boring, it is also a logical fallacy.

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:40

Evidence shows transpeople are more likely to be victims of crime than commit it, and trans hate crime is increasing.

www.gov.scot/publications/updated-study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:40

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:39

Oh and he's in a women's prison. Of course. Because fuck female prisoners, right?

Which case is this again? Link?

maltravers · 25/01/2023 17:42

We know that people will predate on children, that’s why we have safeguarding. We don’t say “why bother, they’ll do it anyway”. Similarly women need reasonable protection from predatory males (even though some males will still try to abuse and rape). That should include no male bodied people in prisons/wards etc, whether those male bodied people say they are women (chancer or trans, how to tell?), or not.

ABrotherWhoLooksLikeHellMugYou · 25/01/2023 17:44

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:40

Evidence shows transpeople are more likely to be victims of crime than commit it, and trans hate crime is increasing.

www.gov.scot/publications/updated-study-characteristics-police-recorded-hate-crime-scotland/

Perhaps victims of people mistaking them for predatory chances who are merely pretending to be trans? Both women and trans women suffer for these sort of rulings. Due to the predatory chances and then those who will go after them and anyone who may be mistaken for them.

PetitPorpoise · 25/01/2023 17:45

Predatory chancers who may potentially commit a serious crime like rape aren't going to follow whatever the rules are for transpeople are they? They aren't going to go through all the time and effort to live as a woman or obey any rules that say they can't access a certain area, if they're a rapist they will do what they want.

The concerns of GC people are that Self ID means that creepy, predatory men won't have to go through any time and effort at all to 'prove' they are a woman. There will simply be an open door to e.g women's prisons full of vulnerable women rather than a men's prison should they prefer it.

This really is the heart of the matter. I have every sympathy with people who feel unable to express their personality and align that with their natural body. But this removes safeguards for 50% of the population to appease a tiny fraction of people and that is neither fair nor proportionate.

ComfortablyDazed · 25/01/2023 17:46

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:27

-The predatory chancers aren't trans, they're just predatory chancers as you say.

-Permitting transpeople to live life as the sex they identify as including which facilities they use has not been proven to put women in danger here or abroad (including countries where transpeople don't face the extreme scrutiny as they do here). It isn't backed by evidence.

-Predatory chancers who may potentially commit a serious crime like rape aren't going to follow whatever the rules are for transpeople are they? They aren't going to go through all the time and effort to live as a woman or obey any rules that say they can't access a certain area, if they're a rapist they will do what they want.

With self-ID, how do we tell who is trans and who is a chancer?

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:47

MargaritaPie · 25/01/2023 17:40

Which case is this again? Link?

You really properly don't give a fuck about the real world consequences, do you.

It's been headlines everywhere today. Guardian, BBC, telegraph, lbc, everywhere.

Since you are apparently completely removed from all sources of news, here's one to start you off on your magical journey of discovery

news.sky.com/story/transgender-rapist-in-womens-prison-in-scotland-raises-safety-fears-says-joanna-cherry-mp-12795099

BloodAndFire · 25/01/2023 17:48

ABrotherWhoLooksLikeHellMugYou · 25/01/2023 17:44

Perhaps victims of people mistaking them for predatory chances who are merely pretending to be trans? Both women and trans women suffer for these sort of rulings. Due to the predatory chances and then those who will go after them and anyone who may be mistaken for them.

Also, 'hate crime' here includes 'misgendering'

Rather than say, rape or murder.

ladygindiva · 25/01/2023 17:49

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 25/01/2023 16:32

Turned to the dark side he has. No good of it will come ……

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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