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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

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Kucinghitam · 25/01/2023 15:07

Continuation of Thread 2.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 12:08

The definitions in this didn't mention asexual at all, only aromantic.

How odd, and exclusionary of the "ace" community, who constantly seem to be pushing for more recognition.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 27/02/2023 12:14

I'd be tempted to write 'N' in each box and when asked what it stands for be very indignant that they are so bigoted that they don't know ('N'one of your business, but I'd leave them guessing).

If my job was on the line I'd probably resist the temptation.

Are they having to do this to prove they've met some arbitrary target?

duc748 · 27/02/2023 12:33

Ah, aromantic. I was reading that as 'aromatic'.

Well, it doesn't seem much less plausible! 😀

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 27/02/2023 12:35

All online, so no write in option.

No specific targets as far as I know, it's just a staff network thing to help plan their events for the year. Although no doubt it helps with Stonewall points.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 15:19

International women's day is trending on twitter, had a brief look and saw at least two things that annoyed me! Danielle in Stoke and cis-terhood in Derbyshire.

duc748 · 27/02/2023 16:12

I've just been reading the Scotland PIE and LGB thread. I always wondered why the 'liberal left', having fallen for PIE so spectacularly in the 70s, haven't been a bit wiser more recently. What I hadn't known, though, was that the men behind PIE are well embedded into Scottish LGBT orthodoxy.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4747859-scotland-pie-and-lgb-research-thread

ErrolTheDragon · 27/02/2023 16:34

Almost like it's not a bug, it's a feature.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 27/02/2023 17:38

It's educational. I really was naive enough to have thought the original lot were gone.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 28/02/2023 13:51

In good news time, MN poster Vebrithien, who rightly objected to posters in her children's school posted yesterday that the posters have been removed, and there is now a group of parents called 'sex not gender':

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4733278-sex-not-gender-no-outsiders-changing-the-equality-act-depheaddsl-captured?postsby=Vebrithien

duc748 · 28/02/2023 15:16

That's great and persistent work; I've been following that thread.

For my sins, I lived in Trowbridge for many years until a few years back. Nothing exciting ever happened whilst I lived there!

StephanieSuperpowers · 28/02/2023 15:30

there is now a group of parents called 'sex not gender':

Crikey, they really shot themselves in the foot with this little adventure.

Madamedefargelikescrows · 28/02/2023 17:35

That really is a small but mighty victory. I was reading the thread a while back and I'm so glad she succeeded. It gives me hope.

duc748 · 28/02/2023 18:11

I'd just finished reading that piece, when I noticed the link alongside to a story about the crucial issue of 'circumboobs', and 'peak cleavage'.

Top work, the Graun ! 😀

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 18:19

How can a cleavage be peaked?

I was just trying to find if the author of that piece might be GC, but I wasn't holding out much hope. Obviously, it's the lens I read it through but the fact that unprecedented numbers of girls are trying to abandon womanhood entirely isn't mentioned seems sus. I think she signed the letter to the NYT so I think she doesn't or won't see it. It baffles me.

duc748 · 28/02/2023 18:23

The more 'trans kids' that can be created, the better, as far as some are concerned.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 28/02/2023 19:00

I acknowledge I've probably been radicalised on here but I'm not obsessed, really I'm not, but for some reason I keep reading that headline in Trending as 'Transman ate my crisps . . .

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 19:07

Not just me then!

Britinme · 28/02/2023 19:25

"Trans kids" in a WaPo article - pre-puberty where that probably feels simpler. ‘Our state is at war with our family’: Clergy with trans kids fight back
They say their children’s lives and religious liberty are threatened by bills proposed in Missouri and elsewhere.
By Ariana Eunjung Cha

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/02/28/missouri-transgender-bills//_

Winterborne74 · 01/03/2023 00:11

Very effective communication from Riley Gaines:

mobile.twitter.com/riley_gaines_/status/1630666368952442900?s=61&t=-LK22XnJEdaX4u8Cd_5fcw

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:18

I can't read the article @Britinme but are they admitting that gi is a religion?

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:23

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 18:19

How can a cleavage be peaked?

I was just trying to find if the author of that piece might be GC, but I wasn't holding out much hope. Obviously, it's the lens I read it through but the fact that unprecedented numbers of girls are trying to abandon womanhood entirely isn't mentioned seems sus. I think she signed the letter to the NYT so I think she doesn't or won't see it. It baffles me.

Apparently by going back to the 1950s

That's well peaked!👇

Britinme · 01/03/2023 07:48

@IcakethereforeIam - sorry the article is too long to paste. A number of states here are introducing legislation banning "gender-affirming" care and medical treatment of minor children, and gender identity education in public schools. The grounds for this are often cited as religious. The story in the article is specifically about such an attempt in Missouri, which is a very right wing state (nearly all the division here over this issue is political in this way - I haven't seen the left wing feminism-based backlash of the kind mainly discussed on these boards).

FTFA " a fault line in American attitudes about policies regarding transgender individuals that often follows religious ties. White evangelicals, in particular, more strongly favor bans on teacching about gender identity in public schools, and requiring transgender athletes compete on teams that match their sex at birth, for example, than those who are not religiously affiliated, according to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey."

The three religious leaders in the article - one rabbi and two Christian- are all in Missouri and all have pre-pubertal children who identify as transgender and have done from a fairly young age, and they oppose the introduction of this legislation, again on constitutional grounds supporting the free exercise of religion.

SinnerBoy · 01/03/2023 08:01

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · Yesterday 19:00

...but for some reason I keep reading that headline in Trending as 'Transman ate my crisps . . .

It looks like you're in good company!

And Thursday Williams is effectively saying: "I'm not an athlete and I don't care, so why should anyone else?" What a selfish idiot she is.