Rape Crisis Scotland on Isla Bryson

[ArabellaScott]

'Sandy Brindley, chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland, believes it is the first time a trans woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland.

She said: "If someone has been convicted of a serious sexual offence they should not be held with the general female population."'
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'Clearly, Bryson cannot be held in segregation - solitary confinement - forever. It would breach her human rights.

At some point she will mix and be housed with other prisoners. One commentator with extensive knowledge of Scotland's jails said the prison service "is in a very difficult position facing very difficult choices."'

BBC article -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64388669

Tweet:

'Rape is an extremely serious offence - in deciding where to place any convicted sex offender, the priority must be the safety of other women prisoners. It is not appropriate for someone convicted of any serious sexual offence to be placed within the general female population.'

'twitter.com/rapecrisisscot/status/1618192912713646081?cxt=HHwWgoDQxa34_PQsAAAA'

In other news, I note RCS' funding has been cut and they have closed waiting lists.

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-closes-26066314

Technically, I suppose Katie Dolatowski only 'sexually assaulted' children.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11392601/Transgender-paedophile-caught-duping-staff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html

Paris Green only murdered someone and when he had sex with women in women's prison there's no suggestion it was non-consensual.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525441/Transgender-murderer-Paris-Green-moved-womens-prison-sex-inmates.html

So males that rape shouldn't be in a women's prison, but males who "only" commit sexual assault (against children!!) should?

Rape Crisis Scotland is gone. Unsalvageable.

Oh, beg your pardon. Paris Green 'is to be kept in the women's section of Edinburgh's Saughton jail'.

Perhaps Sandy Brindley just isn't aware of Katie Dolatowski.

'Sandy Brindley, chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland, believes it is the first time a trans woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland

This doesn't sound right...

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/vile-rapist-jonathon-mallon-32-3424819

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10063073/rape-monster-targeted-demands-move-womens-prison/

There's also 'Charlene' Mallon. Who was convicted of rape.

transcrimeuk.com/2023/01/16/jonathon-charlene-mallon/

Crosspost, Signalbox.

'Laura' Miller. Sexual assault.

transcrimeuk.com/2022/02/17/laura-miller/

Also Albert (Claire) Caballero...

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-sex-offender-changes-name-29013526

I wonder if the BBC would update their article, given that Sandy Brindley appears to be talking mince?

It's only a difficult choice if you treat men's feelings and women's safety as equally important.

So males that rape shouldn't be in a women's prison, but males who "only" commit sexual assault (against children!!) should?
Rape Crisis Scotland is gone. Unsalvageable.

Is it just me or is that not what she said? She said that Bryson (Adam Graham) should not serve in a women's prison. She seems to have her head screwed on, if dangerously unaware of the reality of trans identifying men's crimes.

I'm NOT trying to be an apologist (or an asshole), but many of the men linked to in this thread didn't start to identify as trans until after they were convicted, and Miller was convicted of sexual assault not rape so she seems to be technically correct, that this is the first male identifying as female to have been convicted of rape.

But they need to say all sexual offences. There can't be grey areas here. Look how hard it is to get a rape conviction. I guess they did say all types of sex offending but other types came as an add on, which makes it open to interpretation. What is "serious"?? They can't leave it opaque.

Actually, they need to say all offences. Males should never be housed with females.

I can't be on board with suggesting that so long as a male hasn't committed a serious sexual offence it's okay to have him in a women's prison.

There's never a consideration of the privacy, safety and dignity of the women. Never. It's only thinking of the male, his safety and desires.

The prison authorities and Scot Gov lacky groups like Rape Crisis are not taking any account of the constant anxiety the female prisoners suffer when male bodied prisoners are locked up with them, ex female prisoners have described "being constantly on edge". The female prisoners are also being effectively silenced, if they use the wrong pronouns or complain they lose privileges. So these poor women cannot even complain about their situation.

Can some explain this to me?

Are the Courts saying that TIMs can't rape because rape requires a penis and TIMs are women so can't/don't have penises or that a sexual assault using a penis can only be prosecuted as a sexualt using an object? As if it were a chair or something?

In cases of assault using something, whatever it is, the thing is usually taken away. Can we not disarm these prisoners before they go into the female estate, then?

If a man beat up his wife using his fists, OK, his hands wouldn't be removed, but he'd not be housed in the female estate. I think the weapons used against women should be removed from the perpetrators before they can be considered for the female estate.

@ThereIbledit
Adam Graham/Isla Bryson discovered his inner woman after arrest but before conviction. Others have done this after conviction but before sentencing. It seems like splitting hairs since the motivation to declare a special identity is the same. And of course everyone is who they say they are without exception, so...
I think Sandy Brierly realises the PR problems raised and is trying to limit the damage by making it look as if sexual assaults by males claiming to be women are rare and the issue of where he will be accommodated is a new one, as opposed to it being routine practice to house male sexual offenders in the women's prison estate if they claim to be one.

@ArabellaScott
Yup. Same with changing rooms, toilets, all SS spaces - no males. Women's privacy and dignity are both enough to constitute a boundary.

It's routine practice to house males sentenced for any offence in the women's prison estate if they claim to be one.

Remember, the male sex offenders are just the ones who've been detected, charged, tried, found guilty and sentenced to prison. Only a tiny proportion of men committing such offences get to this point.

So what proportion of male offenders who claim to be women and get put in a women's prison (or in fact in order to get placed there) might be undetected sex offenders?

And even if they weren't before, what a temptation to become one.

Absolutely right.

NO MALES in a FEMALE prison.

@BellaAmorosa thank you, your explanation of sandy's motives makes sense to me now.

I thought it was unusual for a Scottish organisation to be uncaptured...

(of course why they are identifying as female is obvious - I was trying to word things as carefully to avoid MN deletion)