Rape Crisis Scotland on Isla Bryson

[ArabellaScott]

'Sandy Brindley, chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland, believes it is the first time a trans woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland.

She said: "If someone has been convicted of a serious sexual offence they should not be held with the general female population."'
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'Clearly, Bryson cannot be held in segregation - solitary confinement - forever. It would breach her human rights.

At some point she will mix and be housed with other prisoners. One commentator with extensive knowledge of Scotland's jails said the prison service "is in a very difficult position facing very difficult choices."'

BBC article -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64388669

Tweet:

'Rape is an extremely serious offence - in deciding where to place any convicted sex offender, the priority must be the safety of other women prisoners. It is not appropriate for someone convicted of any serious sexual offence to be placed within the general female population.'

'twitter.com/rapecrisisscot/status/1618192912713646081?cxt=HHwWgoDQxa34_PQsAAAA'

This. My understanding of prisoners is that their sexual practices can differ in prison in comparison to out of prison. Men and women may indulge in same sex relationships which they wouldn’t outside. Whether it’s for emotional comfort or libido driven I couldn’t say.
I would be very very concerned that a person with a penis - a man - would be incarcerated with women. The potential for rape/sexual assault/violence/coercion or threats of is unacceptable imo.
Prison officers are vetted before employment, partly to ensure they don’t present a threat to prisoners. Yet a man has raped a woman prison officer in a women’s prison. Sorry I can’t remember the details but I’m sure others can.
Is there anything we can do? Lobby our mp’s or something more effective?

in 2021 there were only about 283 women in Scottish Prisons in total.

30% were awaiting trial.

in comparison There were over 7000 male prisoners. (25% awaiting trial). 893 were sentenced for rape or sexual assault.

It’s not clear how many women were sentenced for sex related offences, but it’s a tiny number - so small that adding an extra 1 or 2 people would make a very significant difference.

I think ‘general’ is doing a lot of work in that tweet, but just logistically it should be clear that there isn’t suitable separate provision in women’s prisons for rapists.

It’s also offensive to suggest, with clear problems on the police and probation services and over crowding in pretty much all prisons that women should be placated with ‘risk assessments’.

So what are Rape Crisis Scotland suggesting?

We don't have women's prisons, we have men's prisons and mixed sex prisons.

But aren’t we supposed to believe that a gender identity is innate therefore these males have always been female even if they only “found the words to express themselves” post conviction / incarceration?

Right now you're doing a better job at describing the actual truth than Sandy ever has

283 women in Scottish Prisons in total.

893 (men) were sentenced for rape or sexual assault.

twitter.com/VerdiMurray/status/1618148479301476352?cxt=HHwWgIDT6f7d6PQsAAAA

This woman has resigned from Scottish Women's Aid over this issue. So sad.

Isn’t there enough trans prisons now to merit a trans prison /
wing in accordance with birth sex? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11674903/Scotland-female-transgender-prisoners-womens-prisons-UK.html

Sorry enough trans prisoners to merit a trans wing

I think this is the point we need to hammer home. Women shouldn't just be the dispensers of kindness, sometimes, if you're looking for a group to direct a benign eye towards, maybe consider whether women could do with it?

Be Kind - To Women.

I am so tired of this shit. But the double rapist very obviously a man gaming the system is everywhere. They can't pretend anymore that this never happens.

It’s also offensive to suggest, with clear problems on the police and probation services and over crowding in pretty much all prisons that women should be placated with ‘risk assessments’
Indeed. And what is the risk assessment? Is it the risk to the trans identifying prisoner? Or the risk to the female inmates?
Are there any transmen in male prisons? If so, are they risk assessed or is the risk assessment the risk to them? And are they kept in solitary?

So 7/283 prisoners is about 1 in 40 in the female estate.

Again, just logistically, how are they supposed to be accommodated?

Some people clearly believe this shouldn’t be a problem because the numbers are small, but the problem should be immediately obvious to anyone who just looks at the figures.

KPSS:

"In light of the decision made by @scottishprisons to allocate a double rapist to the female estate, this statement from @MoJGovUK is timely."

The revised policy is expected in 3 to 4 weeks: today's statement gives an indication of changes:
TW who have male genitalia; OR who have been convicted of sexual offences will not serve their sentences in the general women’s estate unless there are exceptional circumstances.

How this interacts with GRC status is not yet clear. Whether this will see allocation of more prisoners to E Wing is also unclear.
We await the full revised policy which I will be discussing with MoJ as a matter of priority."

twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1618279455604236289?s=46&t=DgrxOACGjPdR7b_GZqH9KQ

www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-changes-to-transgender-prisoner-policy-framework

I would respectfully suggest there are NO circumstances in which a male should be housed with women. Time to push back, and hard. Time to write to our MPs

One is too many. It infuriates me that people think small numbers = no big deal. It’s still very much a big deal.

Is that going to cover Scotland, too, does anyone know?

Hesitantly hopeful.

GB news are all over it Kellie is on now

Labour MP Paulette Hamilton thinks this "gentleman" should be allowed to "transition safely"

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=DgrxOACGjPdR7b_GZqH9KQ

He turned up to his rape trial wearing leggings that must have been deliberately chosen to display his genitals. He has been convicted of raping 2 women.

At what point does it occur to people like Paulette Hamilton that something else might be going on here?

So she just misgendered him?

I'm sure we don't need to know whether anyone is asking, safely for whom?

An SPS spokeswoman said:
“Where there are any concerns about any risks posed by an individual, either to themselves or others, we retain the ability to keep them separate from the mainstream population until an agreed management plan is in place.”

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/scotland-s-justice-secretary-refuses-to-intervene-to-block-rapist-from-being-held-in-women-s-prison/ar-AA16JIwE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=04e61e1904094e059889be89d6848b1c

A management plan for a rapist. In a womans prison. A rapist with no grc.

Surely the best place for them is the sex offenders wing in a mens prison. Why the hell should more women be put at risk?

A trans woman with a GRC just rung Tom Swarbrick and said they expected if they ever committed a crime to be housed in a female prison. Tom didn't quite have the balls to say 'No' - it was obvious to me what sex he was from his voice. No man, certificate or not should be housed with women, none. I dont want them to come to any harm but it needs to be a separate facility. The entitlement is off the scale.

'“I understand they are being held in segregation or isolation, however that can’t be sustained for more than 72 hours without the permission of Scottish ministers.

“If the person isn’t presenting an active threat to staff or prisoners, they have to be released into general circulation.'

news.stv.tv/scotland/ex-prison-governor-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-not-be-in-prison-at-all-female-cornton-vale

Dear god, she's as thick as mince, isn't she?

The lavish misjendahing was 😂