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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What are UK schools teaching?

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namechange10022002 · 23/01/2023 16:42

Just curious to hear what, if anything, your children have been taught about the trans issue? (At either primary or secondary school).

My own kids will be starting to primary school soon and I just want to get an idea of how much exposure to this topic they might receive.

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namechange10022002 · 23/01/2023 17:10

Just to add, I’m not against children of any age being taught that trans people exist and deserve respect etc. I just want to know whether there might be anything that is clearly bullshit like the Barbie-GI Joe spectrum.

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Leafstamp · 23/01/2023 17:20

You will need to be extremely vigilant. It’s not just in the classroom curriculum, it’s in assemblies or special days/weeks/months (LGBT History Month, Pride month etc), it’s in policies and it’s in library books.

This may give you a flavour: freetospeak.co.uk/testimonials/

I would find out if the school uses an external PSHE provider and come back here for advice. Nearly all of them promote gender bullshit.

Leafstamp · 23/01/2023 17:23

More background reading on sites like:

www.transgendertrend.com/category/schools/

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/schools-resources-and-policies/

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/01/2023 17:26

Most of the adult queer theory lobby groups along with countless individuals see schools as a source of income and children in need of their special attention. Until the government returns schools to the places where political organisations / individuals can't have free access unless they're part of a balanced curriculum, (as they used to be) some deeply unsuitable adults will continue on this very lucrative gravy train.
It shouldn't be like this but it's now up to sceptical parents to ensure that children's needs, rights and wellbeing are centred - and not the wishes of particular adults / activist groups.

zen1 · 23/01/2023 17:29

Well, my son’s school (secondary) has gone full on LGBT (as above; clubs, pride month, newsletters with flags) in the last 3 or 4 years. Not a peep in his primary (which he left 6 years ago). However, I’m still on the mailing list for school newsletters at the primary, and now there’s book recommendations focusing on young trans children / diversity etc, so a lot has changed. Funnily enough, the diversity mainly seems to be LGBT directed, hardly anything about disability at all.

zen1 · 23/01/2023 17:31

Oh, and my son was called transphobic by an English teacher when he said he didn’t believe people could change sex and that boys shouldn’t attend girls schools. He has ASD and is infuriated when he perceives a lie being told.

secretlyscientific · 23/01/2023 17:48

well, I am a biology teacher in a secondary school, teaching sex, puberty and reproduction at KS3, and hormones of the menstrual cycle at KS4.

I teach there are two sexes, male and female.

The trans question always comes up. I tell my classes that a man can be a transwoman. But they cant be a biological woman. I tell them to be kind and fair to everyone. I stamp down hard on any homophobic or transphobic use of language.

But when they come in with their stories of a man who has given birth, or similar, etc, I just say no, a transman has given birth, not a biological man, and if I am further questioned, I just explain that anyone can be any gender they choose, and no clothing or style of behaviour is entirely make, or entirely female, but you are the sex you are born in, and that cant change. When asked about male brains in female bodies, etc, I just say there is no such thing as a male brain.

I find the brain thing the most infuriating - we teach our girls that their brains are just as scientific, and mathematical as boys brains, there is no difference, beyond societal conditioning, then some idiot in the PSHE department goes and muddies the water, by claiming, totally unscientifically, that there is some sort of vague, mythological difference, that no one can name, measure or see on a scan.

That is what I teach. ANd yes, I have been prepared to lose my career over it. I equate being expected to teach that you can change sex as the equivalent of the teachers being told to teach Nazi race science; Lies, being told for political reasons.

However, being prepared to lay down my career has never been called on, as no teacher in any of the science departments I have ever taught in has ever contradicted me.

Some of the woke deputy heads in languages though....

Leafstamp · 23/01/2023 17:59

Thank you @secretlyscientific sounds like you’re holding the line as best you can in your position.

I still wish we didn’t have to use the terminology ‘transwoman’ for men who pretend to be women.

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 23/01/2023 17:59

My friend's daughter (Year 9 I think) was recently given an assignment by her French teacher in which she had to write an essay that began with the phrase "I find JKR's views on feminism troubling because..."

In her answer, the girl argued the other side of the argument and in the conversation that resulted with her French teacher, the teacher told her student that the reason she had gone into teaching was so that she could educate kids about gender identity. She's a French teacher.

This stuff is pervasive in schools.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/01/2023 18:04

Well done secretlyscientific. It should be impossible to target a science teacher teaching facts and actual science but these people are so empowered to bully without consequences, that they often have a go.

HipTightOnions · 23/01/2023 18:18

Thank you secretlyscientific, that sounds perfect.

I sincerely hope that's what the Biology teachers at my school are teaching, to counter the crap they are being told elsewhere.

bigbillybobhowler · 23/01/2023 18:29

Currently suspended from my school job for saying biology ie sex is real 🤷🏻‍♀️ nothing offensive, just that. Unfortunately said it in-front of a non binary trans man.

spartanrunnergirl · 23/01/2023 18:33

Wow @bigbillybobhowler that is shocking... what's the next steps for you?

Dogdogwoofwoof · 23/01/2023 18:44

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 23/01/2023 17:59

My friend's daughter (Year 9 I think) was recently given an assignment by her French teacher in which she had to write an essay that began with the phrase "I find JKR's views on feminism troubling because..."

In her answer, the girl argued the other side of the argument and in the conversation that resulted with her French teacher, the teacher told her student that the reason she had gone into teaching was so that she could educate kids about gender identity. She's a French teacher.

This stuff is pervasive in schools.

My blood boils reading this

orbitalcrisis · 23/01/2023 18:53

My children were taught that some people never feel quite right in their own bodies, they feel more like the other gender or neither. They were told that this was ok, everyone is different, difference is perfectly normal and we should just accept people for who they are.

bigbillybobhowler · 23/01/2023 18:54

spartanrunnergirl · 23/01/2023 18:33

Wow @bigbillybobhowler that is shocking... what's the next steps for you?

Gross misconduct I think. It's terrible but I know I'm not doing anything wrong in speaking the truth.

reallyneedmoresleep · 23/01/2023 19:02

My 16 year old has come home from school insisting that men have vaginas, just that during foetal development, a penis grows over the top of it for children who are then “assigned as male” once they are born. Apparently, a sex change operation is then easy because it’s simply removing the penis.
He's quite adamant that a biology teacher has told him this and that I am transphobic for questioning this world view and I need to get my facts straight.
He has surely misunderstood something but I daren’t Google what he’s saying because that’s going to lead me down some pretty horrific rabbit holes.

Thesonglastslonger · 23/01/2023 19:24

Choose your school with care! Some are obsessed with the issues, others do the legal minimum. We aren’t religious but chose a very old-fashioned Christian school for this reason.

Thesonglastslonger · 23/01/2023 19:25

reallyneedmoresleep · 23/01/2023 19:02

My 16 year old has come home from school insisting that men have vaginas, just that during foetal development, a penis grows over the top of it for children who are then “assigned as male” once they are born. Apparently, a sex change operation is then easy because it’s simply removing the penis.
He's quite adamant that a biology teacher has told him this and that I am transphobic for questioning this world view and I need to get my facts straight.
He has surely misunderstood something but I daren’t Google what he’s saying because that’s going to lead me down some pretty horrific rabbit holes.

Does piss me off how the trans activists never mention the clitoris. To a lot of women the clitoris is way more important and certainly more fun than the vagina.

CriticalCondition · 23/01/2023 19:54

There is currently some interesting discussion on this thread about what is being taught in schools.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4724144-jude-guaitamacchi-coming-into-schools

Aphrathestorm · 23/01/2023 20:00

They have to either suck up trans ideology or shut up.

Deviating or questioning will result in punishment.

MenaiMna · 23/01/2023 20:04

secretlyscientific · 23/01/2023 17:48

well, I am a biology teacher in a secondary school, teaching sex, puberty and reproduction at KS3, and hormones of the menstrual cycle at KS4.

I teach there are two sexes, male and female.

The trans question always comes up. I tell my classes that a man can be a transwoman. But they cant be a biological woman. I tell them to be kind and fair to everyone. I stamp down hard on any homophobic or transphobic use of language.

But when they come in with their stories of a man who has given birth, or similar, etc, I just say no, a transman has given birth, not a biological man, and if I am further questioned, I just explain that anyone can be any gender they choose, and no clothing or style of behaviour is entirely make, or entirely female, but you are the sex you are born in, and that cant change. When asked about male brains in female bodies, etc, I just say there is no such thing as a male brain.

I find the brain thing the most infuriating - we teach our girls that their brains are just as scientific, and mathematical as boys brains, there is no difference, beyond societal conditioning, then some idiot in the PSHE department goes and muddies the water, by claiming, totally unscientifically, that there is some sort of vague, mythological difference, that no one can name, measure or see on a scan.

That is what I teach. ANd yes, I have been prepared to lose my career over it. I equate being expected to teach that you can change sex as the equivalent of the teachers being told to teach Nazi race science; Lies, being told for political reasons.

However, being prepared to lay down my career has never been called on, as no teacher in any of the science departments I have ever taught in has ever contradicted me.

Some of the woke deputy heads in languages though....

❤️ thank you

tinkerella1 · 23/01/2023 21:12

@CriticalCondition It’s a shame the thread on Jude has been deleted. Important safeguarding questions need to be asked of external speakers.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/01/2023 21:15

tinkerella1 · 23/01/2023 21:12

@CriticalCondition It’s a shame the thread on Jude has been deleted. Important safeguarding questions need to be asked of external speakers.

Yes - and no parent is a bigot for checking out the qualifications, expertise & online presence of anyone who sets themselves up to talk to children. it's basic safeguarding.

InsertSomethingMotivationalHere · 23/01/2023 21:20

I'm a primary head and staunchly GC. We are a C of E school and love, kindness and tolerance of all are at the centre of everything we do.
We absolutely do not teach gender bollocks - technical term there! We teach children to respect and love their bodies, we teach boys/girls/young men/young women to respect each other, and we support our children when they're struggling with their mental health. We love and respect our same sex parent families.
But we don't teach children they might have been born in the wrong body, or lie to them by saying they can become the opposite sex. It's morally wrong to do so.

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