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So, cervical screening obviously isn't for me then, a Woman, who doesn't consider herself to have been 'assigned' anything at any stage? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes.

The illustrations come out over and over again.

This is not about equality of access and inclusion for everyone, values sincerely held and applied equally.

This is always about subordinating women. Always. The language is used merely to manipulate and provide the illusion of decent intentions.

I agree

It's been pointed out to me elsewhere that there's a 3rd version. Better imagery for sure, she could be me. I'd look at this one if it popped up in my feed.

Except it's not aimed solely at Women, of course. It's Women 'or those with a cervix'.

Fine, but why in that case aren't Women equally present as a footnote in the post aimed at Transgender and non-binary people?

I wonder if they are testing the different versions?

That would explain the different wording between the two aimed in general at women. This pick is ok, it is a better 'generic' pic than the one with the baby. And at least it mentions 'female'.

It would be better to say 'woman' though.

Now that one if i was walking past I would see the photo, the don't wait until its to late and assume was an advert for a gym and therefore ignore!

I know there was a survey done around 2016 which found out that somewhere around 40% of women didn't know what a cervix was. I have the link somewhere, but it was a UK charity which did it (Jean's something?).

So calling women 'individuals with a cervix' would not do it in terms of easily understood health information. (Also, there is a cervical part of the spine which all people have, though it's not called 'cervix' it's terminology which might confuse people.)

It's a health promotion designed to reach as many eligible people women as possible.

There, put that right for you. Women have cervixes and get cervical cancer. It's that easy.

I can't get my head round that bizarre list of people... and I certainly don't recognise myself as any of them.

I ditched the Zoe Covid app a while ago when I was part way through one of their surveys and it used the "assigned at birth" nonsense....

This ad also deliberately avoids the word woman or female. So doesn't really back up your point.

The same government body that produced these communications has a whole page on their website dedicated to the HPV vaccine and how important it is that Men who have sex with Men receive it.

Not a single word there to suggest that Trans-women who have sex with Men or other Trans-women should presumably also receive it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps I'll email them to ask.

Yes the only way this is ok, from a marketing and targeting perspective, is if the ad targeting women (adult human females) is also presented in the simplest and clearest way, including for the small minority who may struggle with the language and need to see an ad in clear terms. 'Woman' or 'women' is more likely to be understood than 'female' in this case.

Be kind. Why does it matter if it doesn't affect you? It's for the minority who might already be disadvantaged and vulnerable due to not understanding the language like you and I. Be kind.

And the third version STILL does not say "woman".

I wonder if you can say "transwowan" why can't you say "woman"? It's the same word. If you can be "transing" to being a woman then surely the goal of the transing can be named too? Otherwise, if "woman" is not an acceptable word then how do they know what to "trans" too?

This is only slightly goady. I am genuinely perplexed.

So no, the third picture can be further reworked

"Gender non-conforming person" surely includes biological males

Are they not going to end up with the likes of Sam Smith trying to book an appointment?

The person in the photo looks as though he/they/whatever has escaped from a Carry On/Doctor film from the sixties. Like a more wholesome Kenneth Williams, with a moustache. Quite strange.

I think the writers of these ads are tying themselves in knots in order to avoid the word WOMAN.

After you've been Stonewalled you're going to worry that it might be offensive or upsetting to transmen, triggering gender dysphoria by reminding them of their biology. And of course the word woman is seen as an affront to transwomen.

"Assigned at birth" is truly Orwellian nonsense.

"sex is observed not assigned" This is just arbitrary semantics though, even considering the "language is important" argument. Assigned, observed, it's clear in its meaning whether you say "observed female at birth" or "assigned.."

It's clearly a targeted campaign towards trans men, perhaps due to them being trans they are less likely than the general female population to want cervical screening. It's really not that hard to understand and there is plenty of literature and advertising aimed at women. I get letters sent to me re cervical screening.

Why do you have to be the default "main" audience on absolutely everything? You guys are deliberately targeting a campaign aimed at trans men and making it about you.

Ahhh, so Vic is a woman, identifying as trans?
Surely Vic knows that cervical smear campaigns are targeted at all biological women? And this poster is actually very offputting for the majority of women who are in need of the screening.

It's honestly such bullshit, sorry. If you google "NHS Cervical Screening Poster" you get absolute floods of women centric posters as a result. You've found one with a trans man on and attacking it. Awful.

Why do you have to be the default "main" audience on absolutely everything?

a) because women without TQ+ identifiers are the default main audience on cervical smears. By at least 99% and probably more.

b) because this would only be justifiable as an argument if there were equal accessibility versions for other needs

c) I am amazed you just stuffed every single other group of vulnerable and hard to reach females into a 'you' to dismiss as privileged and whiny.... fgs the point is that other women have needs too, it isn't just the TQ ones . But thanks, that was a real time demonstration of how disposable non TQ females are. Off with their heads, etc etc. Literally.

d) because the point of this marketing is not a vanity exercise to demonstrate their social credentials and Stonewall points, the point (of spending the tax payer money involved) is to protect women's health.

Ffs.

Sorry but that's bollocks. All of those points only apply if it wasn't the case that the vast majority of cervical screening advertisement and information wasn't aimed at cis women solely.

Would men identifying as women also be given appointments for cervical screening, so they don't feel left out? 🙄Surely the TWAW brigade wouldn't let the opportunity pass to insist on being treated like women despite having a male body?

And what do you mean by other needs? Please don't try and shift the argument to try and turn it into an attack on me, when the poster and the conversation on this thread solely concerns gender identity.

If you are biologically female, you either identify as a woman or you don't - either because you're transgender or nonbinary. That is what I am discussing as is everybody else.

Eloradannin2nd · Today 16:16
In regards to priorities, most women know about smears, the campaign is targeted at trans men who also may need smears.

Logically, if “most women, adult human females, know about smears*

then as females, most transmen know about smears too.

Please don't use CIS on these threads

Is that supposed to be a justification for attacking a poster for cervical screening with a trans man on it?

I don't see the relevance at all, you just seem to be making prejudicial about trans women who are not biologically female and therefore wouldn't need a cervical screening.

Always have to get the digs into trans women in every single thread here though, I suppose....