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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

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IwantToRetire · 16/01/2023 17:44

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64288757

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LizzieSiddal · 18/01/2023 21:44

Is that sign real?! It can’t be surely 😂

teawamutu · 19/01/2023 00:04

RADICALISED ON MUMSNET

Let the record show, I am prepared to pay £££ for this t-shirt.

RaininginDarling · 19/01/2023 00:10

teawamutu · 19/01/2023 00:04

RADICALISED ON MUMSNET

Let the record show, I am prepared to pay £££ for this t-shirt.

Been saying this for years. 😀

PIKNIK20 · 19/01/2023 12:05

Such great news. It is all thanks to us TERFs pushing for reality to be acknowledged

LlynTegid · 19/01/2023 12:47

@ArtfullyCrumpled weddings could be covered by allowing the ceremony not to say 'you are now man and wife' but something like 'you are now a married couple'.

IwantToRetire · 19/01/2023 15:56

re the sign which has featured on other threads and now has a thread of its own apparently it was at an SWP(?) demo outside Downing Street. Or rather a demo that the SWP attempted to hijack as they do anything they cant.

But as someone else pointed out what is also hilarious about the sign is that it is obviously a sign that can be altered to fit any purpose.

In this case mumsnet has been given pride of place. Maybe even an industrious mum does this bit of craft work for a snotty teenage boy who cant get it together to do his own sign.

It may be elsewhere but here is one link to the image - plus comments twitter.com/Lorna9100M/status/1615783825958649864?s=20&t=CIxTlaYkljxCJWWdwEtKRw

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Waitwhat23 · 19/01/2023 21:55

Not a sign but absolutely love this meme along the same lines

UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR
RhannionKPSS · 20/01/2023 02:41

RoyalCorgi · 17/01/2023 18:46

I'm going to try to answer my own question here. I've just been reading the concluding parts of the Haldane judgement. She states, quite categorically:

"For all of the foregoing reasons, I conclude that in this context, which is the meaning of sex for the purposes of the 2010 Act, “sex” is not limited to biological or birth sex, but includes those in possession of a GRC obtained in accordance with the 2004 Act stating their acquired gender, and thus their sex. Such a conclusion does not offend against, or give rise to any conflict with, legislation where it is clear that “sex”means biological sex."

Nowhere does she mention the Equality Act's single-sex exemptions. She does mention other legislation that specifies that a service can be for biological females only, such as the Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) 32 (Scotland) Act 2021.

As far as I can see, the Haldane judgement means that "sex" as used in the Equality Act refers both to biological sex and opposite-sex people who have a GRC, effectively losing single-sex protections for women. Am I wrong?

For those who might not be aware: The wording of that bill regarding the Forensic Medical Services was fought for & won by women.

The wording of that bill, those 6 words, “ for the word gender, substitute sex “ is the reason the trans identifying man who is CEO of Edinburgh rape crisis Centre to left the SNP & joined the Greens. He objected to the change.
Words matter and the fact that he is in that post proves without a doubt that the SNP / Green have an agenda, if anyone needed more proof.

NecessaryScene · 20/01/2023 06:51

So the logic basically goes

  1. Knowing there has been legal confusion on this point, in Scotland campaigners manage to get it explicitly biological sex in a new bill, so at least there's no ambiguity about that one.
  2. Having done this, there are now two types of law - the still-ambiguous and the locked-down.
  3. Now there are two types of law, a judge can take the view that the still-ambiguous ones are intended to be ambiguous as they have not been changed to the locked-down definitely-real-sex formulation.

Therefore:

We more urgently than ever need to go through all existing laws referencing and make clear that "sex" means sex.

And this should largely render GRCs moot - as all laws where sex matters should end up saying that GRCs don't affect them.

Transparent2 · 20/01/2023 18:51

teawamutu · 19/01/2023 00:04

RADICALISED ON MUMSNET

Let the record show, I am prepared to pay £££ for this t-shirt.

Are blokes allowed to wear one? Please?

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 19:23

Transparent2 · 20/01/2023 18:51

Are blokes allowed to wear one? Please?

You pays your money you gets your shirt. What happens after to it well if you want your llama to wear it no one would stop you.

Except maybe the llama.

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/01/2023 19:24

Transparent2 · 20/01/2023 18:51

Are blokes allowed to wear one? Please?

shero-2.creator-spring.com/listing/radicalise-by-mumsnet-feminist?

Not my design (thought about doing one then thought I'd check nobody had already done it!)

teawamutu · 20/01/2023 19:37

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/01/2023 19:24

shero-2.creator-spring.com/listing/radicalise-by-mumsnet-feminist?

Not my design (thought about doing one then thought I'd check nobody had already done it!)

Ooo I want lots of things from that shop! Wonder who the creator is?

Also - are you the Statistically of bra threads fame? If so, you changed my life.

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/01/2023 08:09

teawamutu · 20/01/2023 19:37

Ooo I want lots of things from that shop! Wonder who the creator is?

Also - are you the Statistically of bra threads fame? If so, you changed my life.

Blush...yup, that's me!

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/01/2023 08:22

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/01/2023 19:24

shero-2.creator-spring.com/listing/radicalise-by-mumsnet-feminist?

Not my design (thought about doing one then thought I'd check nobody had already done it!)

Ooohhh never come across this seller before!!!

teawamutu · 21/01/2023 09:57

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/01/2023 08:22

Ooohhh never come across this seller before!!!

Designs include:
Radicalised on Mumsnet
Radfem
Go well

She walks among us. <waves>

A payday order is coming her way...

RealityFan · 12/04/2023 15:39

I can't work out what's the worst thing about "yer man" here.

That he's a virtue signaller par excellence.

Or that's he's a virtue signalling cretin par excellence.

It's a tough choice.

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