TRA protesters Storm Canadian University

[BringerOfDoom]

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-backlash-anti-trans-talk-1.6708251

TRA's in Canada stormed a Montreal Quebec McGill University's Centre for Human Rights and Legal Pluralism (CHRLP) hosted the event, titled Sex vs. Gender (Identity) Debate In the United Kingdom and the Divorce of LGB from T. It was led by McGill alumnus Robert Wintemute.

The talk was cancelled shortly after.

The CHRLP's website describes the event as a conversation around whether the law should make it easier for a transgender person to change their legal sex, "and about exceptional situations, such as women-only spaces and sports, in which the individual's birth sex should take priority over their gender identity, regardless of their legal sex."

"The T (trans) is so much more vulnerable than the rest of LGB. I think there's tons of scientific evidence speaking to that," said Celeste Trianon, a trans activist who led the protest against the event.

Trianon said Wintemute's talk excludes transgender people's rights and is transphobic, further discriminating against the community.

But Wintemute, the man at the centre of the controversy, maintains he does not promote transphobic views and describes the reaction to his talk as "hysterical."

He says he has a 37 years' experience defending LGB human rights and he would never associate with any group that "promotes hate." He said he came to McGill to promote the message that women have human rights too, but they feel intimidated by the trans rights movement.

"So I have to thank the protesters for giving me first-hand experience of that intimidation," said Wintemute after the event. "Probably the majority of women in this country disagree with some of transgender demands but they refuse to say so because they will be seen as intolerant."

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[onyttig]

Clearly letting anyone talk or listen in any way is just too threatening.

Aren’t universities doing a brilliant job when they’re producing and bowing to the demands of students who are terrified of ideas that don’t exactly align with their own.

[BringerOfDoom]

@onyttig

Clearly letting anyone talk or listen in any way is just too threatening.

Aren’t universities doing a brilliant job when they’re producing and bowing to the demands of students who are terrified of ideas that don’t exactly align with their own.

I'm honestly so tired of it. Suppressing discussion like this may work in the short term for them but in the long run they are just building up years of resentment that is going to snap back painfully like a rubber band when everyone finally gets tired of the bulls$1t!

Women don't agree with this. I think many are just saying the right things to protect themselves at this point because they know what is at stake.

[ScrollingLeaves]

He said he came to McGill to promote the message that women have human rights too, but they feel intimidated by the trans rights movement.

"So I have to thank the protesters for giving me first-hand experience of that intimidation," said Wintemute after the event.

That is so true.

Imagine a great country like Canada losing both free speech and women’s rights on the demand of some apparently gender -confused bullies.

[GrinitchSpinach]

Eliza Mondegreen was there and has posted an excellent piece about it:

elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/this-is-what-no-debate-looks-like

[Helleofabore]

Considering Wintermute was a signatory to one of the Yogyakarta documents, I am sure that he is well qualified for this discussion.

He is the one who turned around and said, 'well, I never considered that these males would expect to have so much access etc' isn't he?

[ArabellaScott]

Good god.

[ScrollingLeaves]

Transgender people are a minute proportion of the population. Woman have rights, and and not every single one of those rights is also the right of a male who feels in his mind that he is a woman, or who has simply decided he’d rather be a woman - obviously.

[RaininginDarling]

"LGB Alliance, a British group that advocates against transgender rights in the United Kingdom"

Sorry, I couldn't get beyond this absurd lie.

Is the Cats Protection League against dogs? Must be, it doesn't represent them after all. Maybe the RNIB are against deaf people? I'm embarrassed for this 'journalist' - who advocates against facts.

[Kucinghitam]

The Right Side of History covering themselves in glory yet again.

[Crabo]

Sort of thing that the Hitler youth did in storming meetings and intimidating everyone who didn’t agree with them. Is the sign of someone with a weak argument that they have to use the sort of tactics as they are terrified of logical argument

[LaughingPriest]

The T (trans) is so much more vulnerable than the rest of LGB. I think there's tons of scientific evidence speaking to that

Why am I finding this quote so hilarious?
How did you measure vulnerability, did you define "trans"? "Yeah, sure, I think....?"

[ScrollingLeaves]

It is like the storming of Capitol Hill, or those Bolsonaro followers - it is the easy way.

[Bard6817]

Trans Nazis Strike Again.

Where are all these trans deaths anyway???? What Genocide?

The only near-suicides i see en mass are the GD kids threatening it, who have been enveloped by this sick ideaology. My own kid included. Then she grew up and past that phase.

[ArabellaScott]

@LaughingPriest

The T (trans) is so much more vulnerable than the rest of LGB. I think there's tons of scientific evidence speaking to that

Why am I finding this quote so hilarious?
How did you measure vulnerability, did you define "trans"? "Yeah, sure, I think....?"

For one thing, how is it 'scientific'? What metric are they using, degrees Kelvin?

[NitroNine]

"This form of free-speech absolutism: it has an end. One's rights end where another's begin," said Trianon.

We’re still being treated to endless variations on “rights aren’t pie” - in this article it was "There's no ceiling on rights." - & told there’s no conflict between trans’ rights & women’s rights. Schroedinger strikes again! Rights can conflict only when trans rights are the trump card - & somehow people are playing the game by these rules, just as they’ll accept it’s not a medical condition/priority must be given to funding medical care including therapy, polypharmacy & surgery for trans people & self-ID changes nothing/self-ID means the world to trans people & makes their lives immeasurably better 🤨

Vulnerable minorities also don’t go around storming events. “We’re the most vulnerable!” doesn’t work so well when your violent presence intimidates academics into silence. “No debate” was able to happen thanks to [white] male privilege - vulnerable minorities cannot achieve institutional capture on a near-global scale; nor remove women’s rights & women’s spaces with such incredible ease.

Perhaps they really cannot see the inherent contradictions in what they do & indeed say. Or perhaps they simply do not care, because until now there has been no questioning of the inherently contradictory narrative, nor of the ascientific claims.

[ArabellaScott]

They really do reveal themselves in these actions, though. Storming events and preventing people from speaking, especially when those people are respected international experts? It's alarming, but the more it happens - and is reported - the more people start to ask 'what the fuck is actually going on?'.

[Kucinghitam]

It's alarming, but the more it happens - and is reported - the more people start to ask 'what the fuck is actually going on?'.

The problem is, the Righteous media tend to dutifully either spin it, or completely not report it. And Righteous people, even if somehow the information gets to them (unlikely because they're very proud of never reading Bad media) dutifully stick their Righteous heads up their arses into the sand.

[nilsmousehammer]

When you read what the protesters were doing and saying..... loopy thugs. High on .... whatever nuttery was going on between the ears. Shouting 'scab' randomly ffs.

[ArabellaScott]

Yes, true. I just remembered Toronto Public Library with Meghan Murphy. Three years ago.

The reports mostly have completely avoided the terrifying aggressive threats made to women attending.

[KatMcBundleFace]

They have no self awareness at all.

[Fenlandia]

Fair play to Wintemute - one of the original Yogyakarta signatories who now accepts they didn't think through the implications for women. He was quoted in a good article in The Critic a while back (thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2021/the-trans-rights-that-trump-all/), and I'm glad in a way he's continued to put his head above the parapet and is not liking what he's seeing looking back at him.

[BlackForestCake]

Do universities not have security staff?

After Edinburgh, someone suggested we should have events in working class pubs instead, where these pathetic little blue-haired fascists won’t dare go. I think that is a very good idea.

[nauticant]

What metric are they using, degrees Kelvin?

I'm very disappointed to see this.

The kelvin unit is not expressed in degrees like Celsius or Fahrenheit are. It is used by itself to describe temperature. For example, “mercury loses all electrical resistance at a temperature of 4.2 kelvins.”

www.nist.gov/si-redefinition/kelvin-introduction

[ArabellaScott]

Profuse apologies for using the wrong Kelvin pronoun. Just point me to the re-education department and I'll hand myself in.

[ArabellaScott]

'Though Canada and Quebec have remained "mostly sheltered" from transphobic rhetoric, those ideas have gained momentum in the U.S. and the U.K. and could easily spread here, said Trianon.'

Dear god won't somebody protect people from these dangerous ideas!