Help me work out how to alert my friends to what's happening. Also is my panic irrational?

[FriendofJoanne]

I've posted the Sex Matters petition and all my family and some of my closest friends have signed, but others have said nothing. When we get together we are usually in a group catching up on our lives in general, and I try to talk but haven't managed to so far.

I've shared the petition on our Whatsapp group but only had one contact me separately. I've written a letter but not shared it as there's so much to say. I want to share my worries succinctly - about women's rights being eroded, children being taught that gender is more important than sex, children and vulnerable adults being medicated and given surgery instead of therapy to help them with trauma.

This is affecting my mental health now, I feel sick, depressed and anxious about the world we live in because of this. I care about global warming and the financial inequality of the world too, but this issue has taken over my life. For you others in this who post regularly how do you manage your anxiety? Do you feel anxious? How do you keep going?

I try to put time boundaries around how long I spend reading, but I do tend to listen to podcasts while doing other things.

My husband suggested I step away for a bit, I do need to, but I feel strongly that once I've shared my concerns it will relieve my anxiety and I'll be able to stop obsessing about it.

So please help me very succinctly explain why this issue is so important. Thank you :) Or just some headlines to catch peoples attention to read more. I think a lot of people still don't think its relevant to their lives.

I think Stopclutchingpearls has made the argument to end all arguments, tbh.

I don't think I'd consider being raped as an "upset" but some people don't care as long as it only affects other people. We see it all the time on this board.
Raped women are acceptable collateral damage, as long as the males get what they want it's all good.

Being raped is disgusting, horrific and evil but in the self ID countries which there are loads now . The link between trans people getting a grc to actually try and rape isn’t there . The point is rapists don’t need to wait how many months it takes to get the grc it’s not there . That’s why the UN person said this in the Scottish parliament, they also did a six year consultation and found no link

Scotland said that no convicted sex offender would be able to get a grc

Women have been sexually assaulted in this country, repeated incidents including rapes, in prisons and in hospitals, by male people who identified as TQ+. These are facts. Some of the males involved have been prosecuted for it.

If you support male people being permitted into female only spaces with non consenting female people, you are supporting that rape should happen to some women as an unfortunate downside of those male people's freedoms.

As far as I am aware that didn’t happen in hospital and I don’t think it was by a trans woman. Point is rapists don’t need to pretend to be trans they will just rape

No, that was put forward as a suggested amendment to protect women, and was voted down.

I'm afraid you haven't seen the upto date information.

Yes, but a reminder that those males will have been recorded as female if that was the 'gender identity' they gave to the police.

So no, there is no evidence. Funny, that.

Snp on politics live the msp said this was still in place they had put this in place the other day

rcpolitics.org/scottish-government-confirms-criminals-are-allowed-to-self-identify-gender/

OK, to follow your logic -

Self ID means any male can ID as female and get all documentation changed to show female. It's not going to be a strenuous exercise, that's the whole point of self-ID.

Male does some sort of crime.

Male is caught and sent to a women's prison.

Male rapes female prison inmate.

The rape is recorded as a female assaulting another female.

The male rapist is hidden behind paperwork that is inaccurate.

There's no proof of males raping females in prison.

The end.

Do you see it yet?

One has been proven, yes. By a male who identified onto the ward as a TW. It was confirmed by CCTV as the hospital tried to deny the TW was male.

Baroness Nicholson, who helped the victim of the rape prove that she had indeed been raped (by the CCTV evidence) is researching other cases of sexual assault by male people on women's wards and thinks the number is over 50 and may approach 100.

It makes no difference if the male in question actually was TQ+ or simply identified as such. But Karen White, who multiply raped a woman in a mental health ward and injured her so badly that she may never be able to have a pregnancy, was a TW. And then identified into a women's prison where White was later prosecuted for sexually assaulting several more women.

If you look at the accounts of the victims and the guards shared with the Keep Prisons Single Sex organisation you will see these are anything but isolated incidents.

You forgot about the 'killing'!

@ArabellaScott you understood that?

Damn it, apologies, that is from 2019.

Here's one from the recent Bill:

www.thenational.scot/news/23206439.msps-vote-to-allow-sex-criminals-change-gender/

I'm afraid that's misinformation. The amendment was voted down. Arabella's second link shows the evidence, it is also easily googlable.

The point is, they are males.

And they’re using the current census data and the MOJ UK prison stats, depending on the definition of ‘trans male’ the ratio of male sex offenders who are trans is either 1 in 585 or it is around 1 in 1000.

Just the current ones in prison. Not the past offenders who are for all intents and purposes, still a sex offender.

Do you have any proof that they are less risk than other males?

If so, please let’s all read it ?

No? Then all males are treated the same for safeguarding and should be kept out of female single sex spaces.

Why add to the risk that women have of being attacked?

Why create a condition where women self exclude because of fear or just because they seek the dignity of female single sex spaces?

”Point is rapists don’t need to pretend to be trans they will just rape”

So, no. Some trans people are sex offenders, just like some male people are. The proportion of the population for both these groups are nothing like the miniscule number of female sex offenders.

But I am glad you made the point.

You were obviously not following the news properly.

But crack on telling us your perception of what happened in the Scottish Parliament.

Yes. That is the one that the NHS Trust gaslighted the raped woman and told her there were no men on the ward.

It was shocking to hear the Baroness say that she had now received over 50 reports of such incidents.

However, I can see that there will always be women who deny that transitioned male rape women. They will use all types of tactics.

They will declare that to state that these rapes happen is declaring that 'all transwomen are predators'. - No. Just like NAMALT. NATWALT.

They will declare it didn't happen. Just like Wi Spa didn't happen. - Yeah. Look how that turned out.

They will make all sorts of accusations and deflections.

However, I reckon if we asked them since not all people are going to steal from their house, do those people lock their doors in their house? How about their cars?

Do they think only a few bad people will steal from their car or steal their car? So, they don't bother locking it. Because, well, they are going to steal from the car or steal the car anyway?

How about kids? Most kids won't be in a car accident, so should we bother with seat belts? The risk is very small. It is just around the corner.

The same logic but I wonder whether they ever will answer it honestly.

Take an interest in things and do what you can, but do not waste your precious life energy worrying about things you cannot possibly control.

Do not prioritise abstract causes above real-life friendships. Unless you don't much like these friends, of course, in which case stop bothering them.

Different things matter to different people. Accept that.

bothering with them, I meant to say.
but maybe that was a Freudian slip! 😁

Gillian Martin's amendment, which gives Police Scotland the ability to prohibit sex offenders from obtaining a GRC if they believe they present a risk, was passed.

I just want one of them to answer this - if their daughter was to be locked in a prison cell with a known male sex offender who identifies as a woman, would they still be OK with it?

I'm sure it would be deflected to say they wouldn't want their daughter in with a female sex offender either, but it would be interesting to get a straight answer.

Would their conviction in TWAW be as great if there was a direct risk to people they cared about rather than nameless, faceless women?

This seems pertinent. Dr Greta Bauer, Canada's uber-transactivist. Being asked about vaginal atrophy in teenaged girls who've been put into menopause by 'trans affirming care', called it 'interesting'. This is their Doctor, in charge of a huge chunk of the Canadian shitshow.

This is during the tribunal against the nurse Amy Hamm, who is being tried for believing humans can't change sex.

I agree SantaCarla.

As I said upthread. Having had one of my female family members spend at least 6 months in prison recently, I am quite happy for posters such as those one the past couple of pages tell me that they have lovely friends.

Good for them.

Who knows. They seem to speak from the privileged position of not being in prison themselves or not having someone they love there.

@Helleofabore you are kinder than me. I think they're speaking from a position of not giving a shit about people in prison. Prisoners probably give them the ick.