Helen Joyce on Triggernometry

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Space here if anyone wants to discuss. I've only seen the first couple of minutes and had to switch it off and look at some puppies, but will fortify myself and watch the rest tomorrow.

the thing that made me stop and think was when she said if you decide to speak on this topic you cannot speak on anything else, because you will become unemployable. I know we know this. But for me it heightens the sacrifices these women are making. I find I feel humbled and resolve to do whatever I can do to support them.

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She's the best. I love Helen.
It's shameful she's never been on the BBC. She IS the voice of reason and compassion.
And I'd never really thought about what she's sacrificed. Never asked to discuss any other topic because she discusses this. It's so wrong.

She is so articulate, picking apart the whole mess. Her observation '...it's so much easier to pretend behind your avatar' struck home for me.

It's shameful she's never been on the BBC.

Right now on BBC Radio 4 is an extended interview with Whoopi Goldberg doing a review of her life and works. Certain controversial views aren't a barrier to being given such a platform on the BBC.

nypost.com/2022/12/27/whoopi-goldberg-forced-to-apologize-again-for-repeating-holocaust-slur/

Yes, I’m probably misinterpreting/overthinking it.

At the end of the clip on the Twitter link, she says that transwomen are a vulnerable group of men and a separate wing would, potentially, be a good option.

She also acknowledged that there are plenty of vulnerable groups within the male estate and that prison officers have to manage awful violence in the male estate for these various vulnerable groups.

I was just wondering why transwomen would get special treatment and not the other vulnerable groups.

Sorry, it’s a matter close to my heart and I’m a bit sensitive about it - ignore me! 😀

WildIris, I think other vulnerable groups do get special treatment too.

Loved the interview with Helen. Particularly her point about the circular definitions - i also have a mathematical background and that was a big sticking point for me too when I first learned about all this.

While I was there I watched Oli London too. Expecting to hate it, but he made surprisingly much sense and I ended up feeling sorry for him. Following on from Helen obviously he was obviously less informed, but as a personal story you could see how he ended up where he did. I just hope for his sake that he manages to stay there and doesn't move on to a new self-harming obsession just as fast.

I too raised my eyebrows when she made that statement, but then immediately heard her qualifying points. And I think she does well to spell this out and acknowledge the concerns of those who wish to campaign for 'Trans Rights' because separate accomodation or facilities for this group maybe something they want to raise and campaign for and that would be their choice. But she's very clear that those facilities should be within the context of the male estate. And she's very careful to point out that many incarcerated groups are vulnerable and should have their particular needs and wants considered. She refers, many times, through the interview to the damaging and still very present homophobia in our society for example.

Watching this is the first time I have listened at length to Helen.. She is clear and knowledgeable, kind and compassionate, able to respond to points raised and clarify statements when asked. Really v impressive and reassuring.

I actually think the points she raises in the last few minutes are as worth highlighting as everything else. I agree with her so strongly on how wrong society is getting the wellbeing and development of children.

Brilliant. She always says what matters so clearly!

I actually think the points she raises in the last few minutes are as worth highlighting as everything else. I agree with her so strongly on how wrong society is getting the wellbeing and development of children.

Yes there's too much self rumination encouraged. Mindfulness in the way it's touted in schools has been shown to actually be damaging.

Imo normal childhood enjoyable activities are their form of mindfulness. Playing, art, music, games, forest school stuff, swimming, rolling around on the beach.

Mid way through listening. I just love her. So straight forward, bold, brave. Must be more Helen

I’ve just googled Mumsnet Triggernometry to see if this has been covered as I was going to share.

I love these podcasts and listened to this one in the car and thought it was excellent.

glad there’s already a thread on it.

She's always so clear and considered, a wonderful spokeswoman for us.

The recent Triggernometry interview with Andrew Doyle was v good too.

She's excellent - so clear, so specific, and well-informed. I'd not seen Triggernometry before and I was impressed how much they let her speak.

Finally got to listen to this today and agree with everyone, it's brilliant.

I actually might send this to a friend of mine who is of the 'be kind' persuasion but has a few critical questions too. Helen is compassionate and kind while firmly holding the line and making the issues so absolutely clear. She's such a brilliant speaker.

Hiccups, triggernometry have done some good interviews. Two with Posie Parker, both worth watching.

If anyone hasn’t already signed it, this is the petition she mentioned near the end (0:59 mins in).

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

Thank you for this. Olli London is a complex figure and I'm still trying to decide what I think of him. He made me feel uncomfortable for a long time, but have seen recent tweets that made me reconsider. I'll watch that one and get back to you.

Oli didn't mention it but his change happened not too long after his marriage. So I wonder if his husband/husband's family may have helped bring him back down to earth.

YouTube / trigger offered me the latest Posie one which was excellent.

I feel that the trigger team have become much more aware and on board with recognising the issue with every interview they do.

It's an excellent platform. Brilliant questioning.

Part of the shift by Konstantin Kisin happened last year when he became a first-time father. I think he now has a much stronger viceral reaction when he hears about the medicalisation of children and what that means for their futures.

I remember when they first interviewed Posie and their jaws dropped when she said things like 'men aren't women'. Now they are big old Terfy bigots.

I am also interested in the whole 'thinking they can access spaces not designed for them encourages people to think changing gender is a thing'. So true.

I love listening to Helen. She is so clear without being rude, I don't know how she does it.

Ooh I've just seen this. I might have an early night and go and snuggle fluffy purring things whilst I watch it in bed.

night night

Another who is just in awe of the way Helen Joyce explains complicated things so clearly. Also in awe of her ability to gently intervene just as her interviewers are heading down dodgy pathways (the migrant issue) and correcting them.

I have taken note of her use of 'erotic cross dressing' and will adopt the expression myself. I follow her talks in the hope that some of her clarity of thought and expression will rub off on me. She's amazing.

Having watched it all now I wanted to share an observation. Helen isn't hyperbolic and she doesn't over-explain her view, I imagine that this is because she doesn't feel the need to defend it. She demonstrates empathy without diverting from reality. She moved away from talking about Oli in an individual sense and directed the conversation back to the big picture. The same for when KK mentioned that they have a member of staff who had "gender dysphoria" (interesting that he didn't say 'trans').

She is a highly skilled orator and I think a lot of that comes from plainly speaking the truth. No wonder people listen to her and want to interview her, she doesn't make it complicated, quite the opposite!

Well that was well worth the watch. I could listen to her talk for hours.