Upsetting story from Glinner re. misgendering by a disabled woman

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As a follower of Glinner, his recent email details a TW angry at a woman with Down Syndrome who is "misgendering" them. I'm not sure this link will work

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The comments left by the TW supporters are just awful.
I really feel for people who cannot play along with this nonsense, be they disabled for whatever reason or autistic, on the spectrum etc.
They see the reality before their eyes and are being coerced and bullied into denying it.

Sickening.

As a disabled, Autistic woman this is just hideous to read about. My late sister had Downs Syndrome, too which makes it just a little bit too close to home and a little bit more heartbreaking.

I do not like and do not recognise this apparent 'Brave new world' we live in.

Quite.

A male demanding kindness and inclusiveness with all the many severe issues this presents to females, has used access to a female space to refuse to be inclusive or kind to a disabled woman and to punish her for being disabled in a way that failed to gratify the male person's ego.

We don't need the Equality Act we need the bloody Freedom Programme. This is an abusive relationship and LTB is the tried and tested solution for women.

And to head off the inevitable pleading of 'but it's only one bad apple', I don't care.

I do not care.

Women should not have to deal with this from males in women's spaces. At all. Ever. Male people need to have their own solutions, and this is what comes of the fundamentally appalling idea that female humans are therapeutic resources for males.

That would require some introspection and some good old fashioned giving-a-single fuck-about-someone-else.

AGPs are so far down the rabbit hole of their degeneracy, other humans don't even register.

How long is the grocery shopping that it necessitates a loo break?

Not the point I know

They are both employees at the grocery store.

Sorry, I completely missed that.

@Ameanstreakamilewide I agree. AGPs are mentally ill and, given that society is applauding and enabling them, they are unlikely to reflect on the harm they cause. Those that applaud and enable them should spend the rest of their lives haunted by what they are promoting and the harm it causes to the actually vulnerable

what is Valerie actually upset about? That Valerie can't make the woman with Down Syndrome comply with Valerie's version of progress or that Valerie can't make people believe them to be female?

@EasterIsland they have the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) - I linked an explanation of the employment provisions in post quoted here.

The ADA is in many ways superior to the EA in the same way the DDA was better - disabled people need & deserve discrete equalities legislation not to be bundled into a mishmash of concerns like the EA.

Oh apologies @NitroNine - I was skimming the thread and missed your post.

Thank you so much for the information. And let's hope that the woman so vilely abused by that transwoman has some good people around her to support her and who know about the ADA.

While I wouldn't want the woman to have to go through the legal system, this would be a very good test case for competing rights: gender identity vs. disability rights.

Not only does the ADA have teeth, it has historical legal precedent applied in many ways. Gender identity does not. I'd like to see this as a matchup in the courts.

That’s ok @EasterIsland - I don’t expect people to be hanging on my every word, it was just much easier to quote my post than look up the links again!

The ADA has what you might call a high level of brand recognition, I suppose? It was passed in 1990 & there’s been much more rigorous enforcement of ADA compliance than DDA/EA [for disabilities] compliance. You can even report a [potential] breach online; & can report on behalf of a friend/family member/colleague (etc) too. So if the lady in question doesn’t fully understand her ADA rights, I’m sure she’ll have someone ready to advocate for her. As @Delphinium20 says, the ADA is well-tested legislation that has teeth: should it reach the point of litigation rather than a reminder of rights someone might get a nasty shock - disabled people are people too 😱

That is very reassuring @NitroNine As you and other posters say, it sounds like it's actually stronger than the UK EA.

I remember when there were discussions around the merging of various equalities bodies into the EHRC - the concerns were that by putting them all together, the specific interests, concerns, ad expertise for, say, women, or race, would be lost. Very prescient, it seems.

Not having discrete legislation is certainly an issue. A single advisory body could be made to work - but it would need to be large, with multiple departments to specialise & advise on each area for the overarching body - like how you have different departments within the Home Office: asylum & immigration is very different from the security services so they’re totally separate departments but still both HO. Or maybe French & Chinese both being in the MFL department at a school?

Anyway, yes, should this lady need it, she has a hefty body of law on her side; & depending on where in the US it happened, HR may also not be tripping over themselves to make loos mixed-sex. I do so hope the ableist at the centre of this is about to encounter the reality of other people - even, shock horror, disabled women! - having rights! Mandatory disability rights training would seem to be in order really 🤷‍♀️