First non-binary priest in C of E

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uk.news.yahoo.com/church-england-first-non-binary-161400908.html

They describe themselves as non-binary and genderqueer but also say that the phrase “from maleness to femaleness” in Genesis provoked an epiphany.

Oh I don't know one day whilst cleaning out some boxes of haven't been used for a while stuff I found some very very very old odds and sods of make-up from those times sure if felt pushed to at lust look half alive. And I looked at it and thought you know what fuck it, I don't like it, I can't apply it properly, I don't ever have to wear it again and promptly uoended out all into the rubbish bag.

Was that an epiphinay. It was also the same time that the last remain items of clothing bought out of the women's section of next (had by that time had an important job and had needed to not look like id been dragged through a hedge backwards) went to charity.

I also reclaimed my nickname of Boiled.

However I still think I'm a woman and not a non binary one just because I have completely abandoned the (admittedly in my already extremely limited) shackles of make up and , shudders, blouses.

I think I'd have more respect for bingo if he'd just say this is who i am in going to be a priest but I'm also a man who likes to dress in clothes and wear make-up in a style that these days ( cos I don't remember then making this much fuss in the 80s about make-up and a frock) is consider unmanly.

They still flashed you with their phallus though didn't they and if you are flashed with one now by some man in a pair of jeans and beard would you assume he was a man? Or a woman? Or non binary?

If you feel they are thinking they are better than you that might be projection on your side, if you don't adhere to sexist stereotypes what possible reason could they have to think that? Even if you do, each to their own. They don't think women who haven't 'declared' a non binary gender beneath them, that would be almost 50% of their friends, family and colleagues? Also putting up with the comments people make about non binary people and all the rest of the crap that goes with it hardly makes them cowards does it.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. For some reason (though we all KNOW the reason), the CofE is still institutionally pretty hostile to gay clergy and even women with children (a colleague recently had to fight really hard to get proper maternity leave/pay as a vicar; weird employment exemptions mean this still isn’t guaranteed). But they seem very amenable to trans issues. Our local (well attended) church had a transwoman vicar appointed recently and unsurprisingly attendance has absolutely plummeted. “She” is very shouty and domineering. It all seems fine with the diocese and higher up and everything. They are all pro the genderwoo apparently!

Being sermonised at by a preachy man in a dress is par for the course in the CofE, anyway. I cannot say the experience here is much different, even if the vicar is also wearing an unflattering shade of lipstick.

Very little - a vicar is a type of priest (the article says priest; he may or may not be a vicar). It's virtually the same thing just some historical detail, I believe.

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Priests are titles in the Church of England or the Catholic Church. It seems a priest in the C of E who is given a parish can also be called a vicar, so apologies to whoever I corrected earlier, learn something every day.

Quite.

@WerewolvesAtMidnight but if it were true that non binary isn’t about stereotypes what is it? Why would anyone need to say they are non binary if you don’t think there’s something binary about what other people are doing?

Och the dude is an attention seeker. That’s it.

Oh and there are at least three or four transwomen Anglican vicars now that I know of; so there are probably more than that. And the church seems super fine with it all. Though gay clergy still suffer from discrimination and restrictions on their personal relationships, trans is fine!

@Boiledbeetle well these days it's not the done thing to assume someone's gender. If they were deliberately flashing me in the pub I would just be oh that's a penis I've seen plenty that ones a bit small is it cold? I wouldn't usually size shame but putting them in their place seems the appropriate response. And then inform the bar staff probably.

In most cases, they are essentially the same thing. But if you want the technical answer:

• When somebody is first ordained in the C of E they are called a deacon. As a deacon there are a few things they can't do (eg marry people).
• After a year their title becomes priest, which is basically 'full' ordination.
• The title vicar is more functional. It means an ordained person who runs a local church.
• So you could be a priest but not a vicar (eg if you're a prison or hospital chaplain); but nearly all vicars are priests, by definition.

Just popping in to clarify that the priest in question is not me

So most of the women in here would immediately think that's a cock. That MAN had got his cock out.

Not oh that's a cock I wonder if it' identifies as male non binary or female cock.

I always think that. When am giving that exposed cock a stomp

I'm also waiting with bated breath for an answer to this...doesn't look like one is going to materialise!

Sleep is calling.

Where did the quoted post slope off to.it was there when i pressed preview

Discrimination against gay vicars or other people in the church is not okay. Unfortunately gay and bi people still face it, it's wrong.

I'm not sure it's right to assume those trans vicars you have mentioned have received absolutely no discrimination or harassment from their community. Or indeed the public in general. I think it's highly likely.

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I don't know what do say other than it's about themselves, not what everyone else is doing. I'll give you another example, someone works out they are bi, they don't assume everyone else around them is either gay or straight.

Depends are you called Bingo?😃

I agree I would think oh that's a cock. Great word. I wouldn't wonder if it identifies as male non binary or female cock. It's irrelevant to the cockness of the cock.

I don't think you understand how definitions work.

Being bi doesn't involve declaring yourself non anything.

Being non binary otoh....It's very definition is in relation to binary.

What's the point in telling people that you are this thing if you can't explain what the thing is?

Can you see how this sounds like attention seeking?

Um being bi means by definition one isn't gay or straight, that's the whole point... if someone 'comes out' as bi they are by definition 'declaring' they aren't gay or straight. So not sure how that doesn't work.

I agree you think declaring yourself as non binary is attention seeking. I also agree that some of the examples on this thread earlier about young people could possibly fit in that category. It could even apply to this vicar/priest but we don't really know that just from the 'declaration' (which is seven years old),