NHS - Women’s rights compromised by gender ideology

[SallyLockheart]

But when it comes to conflicting rights in a public institution like the NHS, decisions must be made with democratic consensus and full understanding that certain policies cannot be blindly endorsed simply because one minority is shouting the loudest for them.’ She said there ‘can be no compromise when it comes to women’s rights’.

another interesting article from the DM based upon report by Nimco Ali, the outgoing government tsar on tackling violence against women

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11590761/Policy-Exchange-claims-NHS-seriously-compromised-gender-ideology.html

*Miss Ali added that the right to privacy, dignity and safety as a patient is ‘inextricably linked to the foundations of the NHS’.

She added: ‘To remove this right without consent is nothing short of a national scandal.’*

You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards.

You are rude.

The NHS's problems go back decades and as regards same sex - not gender - wards and services actually began under Labour.

The current wider problems - which this thread is not about - go back to at least the late 90s and are inextricably linked with how we fund social care. Ed Balls did a BBC documentary on this.

Then there's PPI (also Labour). If you want to talk about those wider problems then start another thread. I hope people aren't so rude to you on it if you do.

@frazzledali "You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards"

Gosh! And all these years I thought it was possible to have more than one thought at a time, y'know, tory underfunding AND the erosion of women's rights are both bad.

There's a longer article on this in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/02/trans-nhs-staff-can-treat-patients-who-request-same-sex-care/

I find this hypocritical. Everyone essentially discloses their sex when doing same sex services and care. Why does that expectation of disclosure NOT apply to those with the PC of gender reassignment?

“The Trust accepts that there may be some exceptions where a transgender person will be expected to disclose their gender identity such as where they are required to undertake personal care on vulnerable people.”

However, the letter provided no details about which exceptions these may include.
“This statement will be rare and, where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.
Under informed consent, a patient can refuse treatment at any time if they are dissatisfied with the clinician or treatment offered.

Archive link before anyone says they can't read it

archive.ph/ks7Fp

Good article Sally, thank you. Noting pp comments, underfunding of the health service results in reduced services and longer wait times for everyone. However, the issues highlighted by Nimco Ail - lack of same-sex intimate care, unrecognised mixed sex wards (and the resulting danger and gaslighting of women demonstrated so clearly in Scotland) - could easily result in (some) female patients withdrawing from healthcare altogether.

This removal of access for females to give increased access to some (very small) male minorities is a feature of GII. Trans groups are being disingenuous if they don’t acknowledge that as a failing. Protesting against reasonable solutions (such as private room accommodation in Scotland) demonstrates the inherent selfishness, or perhaps hints at an undisclosed agenda

@ResisterRex many thanks for that article. It's more comprehensive than the DM but I quite liked the DM slant that the NHS has been hijacked by a very small minority and that there has been no consensus - no debate - about this happening. It's just more discussion and sunlight.

Resistor - to reinforce your point, a patient can only refuse care on the basis of the sex of their clinician if they are given the information….. Plus, we have seen an example where, when a patient requested same-sex care, all treatment was withdrawn.

@SallyLockheart I agree. The report will be interesting but couldn't find it. I think Policy Exchange is still plugging the other NHS one.

I doubt anyone will be daft enough to publicly take issue with what Nimco Ali has said but you never know..!

If a person requests same sex care and that person is not of the same sex , then surely the patient would have a valid case of assault.

Why would a trans person not declare their sex on occasions like these? It's not an unreasonable request from the patient and any clinician has a duty of care to patients.

I would go far as saying, only a predator would carry out a procedure on someone of the opposite sex if the consent is only there for single sex.

The Trust, as an employer is complicit in this deception and should also face criminal proceedings.

The NHS should be renamed BUS 🚌 because they are currently throwing women under one

No details on the exceptions
However, the letter provided no details about which exceptions these may include.
“This statement will be rare and, where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.

they , they being the idiots who wrote the above, still think that someone with a GRC has had their willie cut off don't they?

We don’t need to know anyones ‘gender identity* we need to know their sex if we ask for same sex care. And we need to know we all have the same definitions of words.

I think this is a perfect example of where the Equality Act needs updating l.

And also where there should be an enhanced DBA allowed for certain employment where this information is made available to aj employer.

trusts accused of failing to ensure same-sex intimate care www.thetimes.co.uk/article/139e72ba-8a1b-11ed-b24e-c1aaebfbdb8d?shareToken=3c131f477e388d3771cf3186e7592196 Times article

it get worse. Thanks not for the Times article, with extra information

Policy Exchange said the “prioritisation of gender above sex” endorsed “in the letter and by officials across NHS departments fundamentally fails to recognise the consequences of denying sex-based rights”. It says freedom of information requests revealed up to 30 sexual assaults against females on hospital property at the Bristol trust.
The think tank says Barker’s letter contains policies that “explicitly compromise sex-based rights permissible within the law”. It added that its paper reveals a “staggering incompetence within the wider NHS in dealing with gender identity ideology”, saying the case was unlikely to be isolated.

30 sexual assaults? Since 2019. OMG. Why has this not been picked up earlier.

Horrific disrespect that GRC status is not needed to be disclosed .

That GRC is a free pass for never having to extend respect for informed consent, isn’t it?

Oh noes!!!!’ The women are misbehaving and looking at issues we haven’t said they all morally allowed to!!

Those with performance issues need to be returned for reprogramming!

In the meantime- distract! Distract!! Distract!

I found this from 2006:

National review ordered into NHS sexual assaults

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a090d9aa-8348-43f9-9295-c0e53eda78fb?shareToken=81b14993e564ddf4a0f2c6180121a3ea

"EVERY mental health trust in the country is to be instructed by the Government to review approaches to sexual safety following the publication of a damning report describing alleged rapes, assaults and harassment.

Officials have been aware of the report for more than eight months, but published it only yesterday — a week after The Times revealed its contents. They said that a separate inquiry had been started into the most serious alleged incidents, which include 11 reports of rapes by NHS staff."

I note:

"The report brings into question the Government’s claim to have set up single sex wards that are safe and ensure personal dignity across the health service. The pledge, made by Tony Blair as far back as 1996, has been met in 99 per cent of mental health settings, the Government claims."

And:

"Tim Loughton, the Tory health spokesman, told the House of Commons yesterday that the Government had “sought to suppress” the report. He also rubbished claims by Rosie Winterton, the Health Minister, that 99 per cent of wards are single sex and called for action to improve conditions for people hospitalised with mental illness.

“No-one who has visited a mental hospital remotely believes your assertion that 99 per cent of them offer only single sex wards,” he said. “A flimsy curtain across a ward does not constitute a single sex ward.”"

For those old enough to remember, it's from before Mind was captured:

"Paul Farmer, chief executive of Mind, the leading mental health charity, described the report as “truly shocking”. He called for an urgent audit of single-sex wards and a systematic means of collecting sexual safety information annually, and acting on it."

Even though I no longer find this stuff surprising, I still find it horrifying. It should simply be a directive that staff must not provide care to someone requesting same sex care if they are not of the same sex as the patient (irrespective of gender identity/legal sex).

Yeah I'm no longer surprised, but every time I read about yet another thing that never happens, that's been going on under the radar, blah blah blah

I get that awful sinking feeling and have a moment of just ughhhhhhh

It happens every bloody day at the moment

Why would a trans person not declare their sex on occasions like these? It's not an unreasonable request from the patient and any clinician has a duty of care to patients.

Because they've been sold a lie that it's possible to change sex. They actually believe they are the opposite sex.

where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.

I'm pretty sure that legally having a GRC can will count as having 'fully transitioned'. Certainly this can be read that way. No other measures required

I think there must be serious concerns about any member of staff who would even consider using the gender identity loophole and insist on providing care to a patient they know to have requested same sex care.

This is a policy that can only benefit those whose motives are problematic. The majority of HCPs would (and should) want to support their patients’ dignity, and that means stepping aside when they know a patient does not want to be treated by someone if their sex. Placing validation of your own gender identity (or anything similar) above what you know to be the patients’ wishes is a warning sign more generally. HCPs should care about patients’ informed consent to everything.