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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Angus Robertson breaks the twat-o-meter, again

20 replies

dropthevipers · 29/12/2022 10:55

Cannot link to it but the snp compares the gender reform Bill to what Mandela would have done. I'm all out of words.

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Boiledbeetle · 29/12/2022 10:58

Oh and

Wanker!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/12/2022 11:03

pretending some men are women, locking women prisoners up with rapists and destroying women's sport is like fighting racism?

suuuuuuure Angus

I mean it shows rather an insulting lack of understanding about apartheid quite aside from anything else

nauticant · 29/12/2022 11:04

Some people have some views:

twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1607751757211336705

Slothtoes · 29/12/2022 11:26

This is absolutely shameful on every level.

SinnerBoy · 29/12/2022 11:33

Even with the links to official policies etc, he'll just ignore it. He's a smug arse, who won't tolerate disagreement.

Slothtoes · 29/12/2022 11:33

Wow that Twitter post is incredibly powerful. I hope that everyone who is taking away protections for women reads that and feels utter shame.
twitter.com/hen10freeman/status/1603022204467351556

^ Henrietta Freeman, a disabled woman with home care tweeted about why she needs female carers. Flowers

Whereareyourshoes · 29/12/2022 11:34

He really hasn’t thought about this at all, has he?

Clueless and dangerous.

Perhaps Angus should campaign for a 6’ 5” life size statue of Katie Dolatowski in the Scottish Parliament as a reminder of the freedoms they wish to give sex offenders?

Edinburghmusing · 29/12/2022 11:37

Do you know what’s like apartheid? The way women are being treated in Afghanistan. WOMEN. THE FEMALE SEX.

you just always know there’s grim skeletons in the closet with these types don’t you

TheYummyPatler · 29/12/2022 11:40

respects and enhances the freedom of others

What about respecting and enhancing the freedom of women to… compete in fair sport, access single sex spaces?

What a ridiculous comparison.

in fact, the closer comparison to apartheid South Africa would be one where the top priority was in ensuring that the rights of white people who wanted to identify as black were there top priority. After all, they’re the most marginalised group of all.

Of course, it’s still nonsensical because race is not actually a biological characteristic in the way gender is. And the requirement for single sex provision is driven by completely different things than the racism that drove apartheid. The particularities most definitely matter.

That’s why you don’t go about making these kind of comparisons. It’s as stupid and unhelpful as comparing to the nazis.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 29/12/2022 11:50

Always makes me so angry when people use this false equivalence in any way. It’s all part of the outrageous reversal that’s at the heart of “trans rights” activism: pretending that somehow women are the class with power and some male people are the class they are oppressing.

If there had been a real equivalence in apartheid era SA to the current situation in Scotland (and elsewhere), it would have been giving some white people under apartheid further rights and privileges while taking away even more from black people. We need to be really clear about what’s going on here, just how egregious this lie is.

And it’s all enabled by the invented axis of “cis/trans”, the basis they use to justify awarding male people even more special privileges and power over female people. “Cis/trans” obscures the real power axis of male/female and force teams some male people in with female people, making them supposedly not just as vulnerable and marginalised as we genuinely still are, but actually more so, a supposedly disadvantaged minority of “women”.

From where you end up with truly shocking distortions of the truth like this one.

We have to challenge this lie at every available opportunity. It’s never about people being “trans”. Virtually all the issues here are about biologically MALE people, members of the already (eternally) dominant sex class invading the territory and taking away the rights of biologically FEMALE people. TRAs and allies painting us as the aggressor and those male people as the aggressed against is just one almighty DARVO.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 29/12/2022 11:51

Cross post, Patler!

IcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2022 12:40

I saw someone yesterday who wrote something along the lines that this was claimed to be just a minor administrative thing, just to make things easier, no substantial changes. Well, the ink isn't dry and the narrative has already changed.

BlackForestCake · 29/12/2022 12:56

Yes, it’s either a minor administrative change or it’s like the epic struggle against apartheid. It can’t be both.

(It can be neither, however, and is)

MidsomerMurmurs · 29/12/2022 13:13

Perhaps Angus should campaign for a 6’ 5” life size statue of Katie Dolatowski in the Scottish Parliament as a reminder of the freedoms they wish to give sex offenders?

That is an excellent idea. Trans day of visbility is 31 March 2023. The more viability the better I think.

Getamoveon36 · 29/12/2022 13:14

SNP are out of control now.

MidsomerMurmurs · 29/12/2022 13:18

mobile.twitter.com/JNHanvey/status/1608104130345857024?s=20&t=sgcv-mwIc9topueZir39Qw

A take from one of Angus’ former colleagues. The “fervent belief” bit is really telling. It’s a new religion. You just have to believe.

BoreOfWhabylon · 29/12/2022 14:34

IcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2022 12:40

I saw someone yesterday who wrote something along the lines that this was claimed to be just a minor administrative thing, just to make things easier, no substantial changes. Well, the ink isn't dry and the narrative has already changed.

yes, he nailed it!

Angus Robertson breaks the twat-o-meter, again
IcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2022 14:38

Yes, thank you @BoreOfWhabylon that's the tweet I saw.

Everything about this ideology is paradoxical, unless it's outright lies...or both.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 29/12/2022 16:17

IcakethereforeIam · 29/12/2022 14:38

Yes, thank you @BoreOfWhabylon that's the tweet I saw.

Everything about this ideology is paradoxical, unless it's outright lies...or both.

Absolutely. Gaslighting all the way.

Gaslighting, DARVO and forced teaming are all tactics used by abusers.

Promoting gender identity ideology and positioning GII as taking precedence over biological sex is itself an inherently abusive act on the part of a group of biologically male people towards biologically female people as a class.

This is outright abuse and it has to be framed as such, and met and dealt with as such.

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