Is there any democracy that is not in thrall to the gender ideologues?

[JellySaurus]

It's like the Western world has lost its marbles. Dictatorships and theocratic countries are bad news for women, anyway. Is there any democractic country that still recognises women to be adult human females excludively?

Real working class people seem to be immune, and think the whole thing is insane. No one listens to them and the politicians who claim to represent them are middle-class wankers who preach gender shit. What to do....

I'm sure there must be, mustn't there?

I'm struggling to think of one actually though.

I never got the whole conspiracy theories on things, but this, this is so insidious and so fucking quick, that I keep imagining this incredibly small powerful group of people running the whole thing.

It's like the way the way during the cold war (I'm shit at history might be the wrong era) they used to send spies out and get to get them into universities and then government positions and heads of industry positions.

If I was into conspiracy theory shit I'd be absolutely convinced.

But I don't believe it's a conspiracy, nope, not all...raises left eyebrow.

I never got the whole conspiracy theories on things, but this, this is so insidious and so fucking quick, that I keep imagining this incredibly small powerful group of people running the whole thing.

Agreed. It does feel like that. I've never witnessed anything like this in my life.

Sweden seems to be taking baby steps towards extricating itself from this madness, and France doesn't seem to be quite as in thrall to this ideology as some others, but I struggle to think of a country that has escaped entirely. Most of the obvious democracies (US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Ireland, UK, Germany, Norway, Spain) seem to be fully captured.

For posters new to this, James Kirkup had an excellent article in the Spectator about the Denton's report that laid out, just as Boiledbeetle points out, the underhand tactics of a powerful ideology to operate behind closed doors and avoid democratic scrutiny. Transactivists have followed this to the letter which is why we're in this mess:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

*MrsOvertonsWindow& - I agree, the Dentons document lays it all out very well. But who's behind the Dentons document? Why was it so important to a law firm like Dentons to be surreptitiously pushing through legislation without winning popular consent?

Quite a long time ago, someone on this board said it reminded them of Mitchell and Webb's Vectron sketch - which, when you see it, is exactly what it's like:

@MrsOvertonsWindow well they are definitely all working from the same handbook aren't they.

I have a weird impressed fascination for their absolute near faultless achievements of their aims.

I'm sorry that by the time this actually gets looked at properly and the history of how it all happened down to the tiniest of detail is written that we'll all be long dead and gone. The whole truth of this is going to take years to uncover.

As for how a county is doing with self ID:

twitter.com/RoisinMichaux/status/1604200438403805184

Hopefully the link will work i came across this from someone else's link to someone else's Twitter earlier can't remember who now.

Belgium have had self ID for five years, it's a shocking, but totally believable read.

We can be absolutely certain that very powerful people meddle in this way.

Remember the Occupy Wallstreet era, it was bringing so much attention to the fact that wealth was the great society divider?

Well the obscenely rich and powerful people couldn’t have that. So it’s pretty certain it was decided that society needs to be redirected - race was to be engineered into the new great society divider. It was an extremely successful campaign.
Now the gender wars are being weaponised.
The West as we knew it has fallen.

And sticking with my conspiracy line of thought...

Anyone got any room left for some PIE?
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Finding the mixed prisons v disturbing. Alpha males pair up with women. How can anyone know if the women really consent? What about women who don’t want to? What if prisoners are in a relationship, do they share a cell?

And for women in general, make very sure you NEVER cross the police, because that is where you might end up.

I found that frightening, too. A mixed sex prison would have men and women in the percentages the two sexes are sentenced for crimes, so more than 90% would be men. A society with such a tilted sex balance would be ghastly for the women and would certainly not teach the inmates anything about how to reintegrate with the wider society.

Not to mention the fact that many more men are there for violent crimes, including sexual crimes, than is the case for the women.

As to the question in this thread, I believe the UK is the only one where there is real open debate on these issues, or at least where the debate is not as one-sided.

I know if was horrifying to read those poor poor women. How many of them will be lesbians with no choice but to sleep with a male. And the majority of the straight women won't get a proper choice either.I

It's abhorrent.

It will completely change the dynamic of prisons. Women in prisons for crimes committed on the insistence of their male partners won't even be able to escape the Arsehole in prison, he'll be in the same bloody cell.

Ukraine

What I don't get is why so many women are OK with it. That's what I'm angrier about than anything else. The betrayal I suppose. I've never been raped/attacked/affected by male violence but I'm completely aware that a lot of other women have been and can empathise with them.

Does it purely come down to luxury beliefs and assuming they'll never go to prison or they'll never need rape crisis and therefore it doesn't affect them?

I kind of expect a lot of men not to care as they've no skin in the game, but would have thought women would realise how terrifying it would be to be locked up with a rapist.

Many young women seem to have no understanding of how recently their rights have been won, and some believe that women, in the sense of being of the female sex and adult, are now completely equal, and if some are not it is because of other intersecting types of oppression they experience. For them the new justice frontier are trans women and their rights, because they regard trans women as the most marginalised and oppressed of all people under their label of 'women.'

Why they don't see the clear clash of rights and the erasure of names for the female sex and why they don't see the historical patterns or what is taking place in Afghanistan right now (which is entirely sex-based oppression) I do not understand.

There's an odd scarcity of all critical thinking, research, and reasoned debate now, at least online, and so it could be just that they never thought about any of this at all, but just want to be seen as fair and generous and kind and on the right side of history.

And some common arguments about the evils of profiling a demographic group probably feed into their thinking that 'all genders' can assault 'women':

They don't want to suggest that men, as a sex, are much more physically violent than women, as a sex, because they see it as profiling, even though that statement does not imply that most men wouldn't be non-violent or that no woman would be violent.

I am very sad to say that I cannot think of a single one. You would expect Conservative Catholic countries to be more resistant...would Poland count as immune to it?

Italy maybe?
Hungary?

Some of the other more eastern European countries?

And just thinking if you step away from rich democracies, you have Island nations across the world. Countries in south America....

I haven't done my research obviously.

I will say countries that traditionally haven't been so keen to accept 'help' from major western founded NGO's are where you might find more resistance to this philosophy.

It's why I increasingly don't criticise countries with different governance styles even ones like Afghanistan.Like it or not, you need a difference. Total governance homogeneity would lead to something quite awful.

It’s really fascinating to see QAnon style thinking emerging in the open.

I need to create a bingo board for this forum that properly captures the paranoia and rabbit hole thinking. From the handful of responses received so far in this discussion I can suggest the following bingo squares:

• Believes in global conspiracies
• Blames global elites
• Praises repressive regimes
• Fears NGOs
• Believes in Global Government
• Ukraine conflict
• Evokes Fall of the West

I won’t say that I look forward to adding to this list, but I’ll create more bingo squares as more replies are posted.

And before you start castigating me for highlighting the insanity that increasingly passes for opinion here, may I remind you all that the comment above mine literally says:

“It's why I increasingly don't criticise countries with different governance styles even ones like Afghanistan”

Why was this posted here? It is the sort of comment that should terrify anyone who cares about women’s rights. It is deranged, disordered, and vile.

@landOFconfusion "I won’t say that I look forward to adding to this list, but I’ll create more bingo squares as more replies are posted."

😀Enjoy, it's a fun way to spend some time. No seriously I'm not taking the piss. It does actually make some threads more interesting.

Well wishes of the season to you.

There will be an election in the next few years, women in particular need to be careful who they vote for. Starmer was in the paper this week saying the UK needs the same laws as Scotland.

I don’t trust him at all, and the greens etc are even worse

Although @landOFconfusion whilst your here, Why do you think it's all happened so quickly? You can't deny that there had been a massive surge over the past few years. I know things have obviously been progressing slowly for years but what do you think pushed it from slow and steady to full on mode?

It has been fascinating to watch this thing play out as a whole I will admit.

I need to create a bingo board for this forum that properly captures the paranoia and rabbit hole thinking.

You really need to find a more wholesome hobby. In the new year, make it a resolution to switch off your computer, get out of your mum's basement, and take up jogging.

Oh, and make sure you remember to shower afterwards.

When anyone tries to suggest that you mustn't ask / talk about something as it's too right wing / unkind / doesn't happen / paranoid, ask yourself what they have to hide? Why are they so determined to derail / silence critical thinking?

Fortunately the days of no debate are finally over. 🙂