Telegraph - Keir Starmer: Pro-trans laws are needed across UK

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At first glance, just (just!!) a rehash of his video from last year. Which said what it said. But there's this:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/12/23/keir-starmer-pro-trans-laws-needed-across-uk/

"Asked by The Telegraph about the leader’s comments to Pink News, Labour confirmed that he stood by plans to reform the GRA.

A party spokesman said: “All political parties agree that the process needs modernising. A future Labour government will consult on what that looks like, while upholding the Equality Act and maintaining single-sex spaces.
“Labour has a strong and proud record of standing up for women’s rights. Our commitment to them is unrelenting.”
Trans rights have become a key electoral battleground in the USS_ and are expected to be similarly important in the UK at the next general election."

Do all political parties agree the GRA needs updating? The Tories just made it easier to get a GRC, and they've not said they plan to do more.

Once again the "maintaining single sex spaces" rhetoric. But next to the Haldane judgement? Come on.

Katie Dolatowski might prefer to be in a woman's prison. He's a violent sex offender. I don't care about his 'best life'.

There’s some evidence (from prisons) that males who identify as women keep male offending patterns. And there’s zero evidence that a self-declaration of womanhood suddenly removes any male propensity to violence. But at the moment the data is being corrupted anyway by the recording male vawg as being carried out by female people. This obviously needs to change asap so that the evidence is not corrupted any further than it already has been.

It will never happen - resource thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

To be perfectly honest, I don't care which males would prefer to access women's spaces. My priority is the privacy, safety and dignity of women, not the preferences of males.

Desperate, and offensive:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/28/scotlands-new-trans-law-compared-nelson-mandelas-apartheid-fight/

"Writing in his column in the Edinburgh Evening News about the reforms, Mr Robertson said: “To quote Nelson Mandela, 'to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others'.
“In passing this legislation, I fervently believe the parliament and the people of Scotland have taken one more step in doing just that.”
He added: “Trans people will now be able to declare that they are who they are without having to justify themselves to a panel of people whom they have never met.
“It has been a source of considerable regret that so much misinformation has plagued this debate, and we must do better to ensure truth and clarity define our discussions.”"

The responses are good:

"“To state the obvious, the pomposity is risible,” Johann Lamont, the former Scottish Labour leader, said. “But quoting Mandela is offensive.
“Women’s views on the danger of predatory men dismissed; sex offenders’ ability to self id into women’s prisons prioritised; women survivors of sexual abuse not heard. Nothing to be proud of there.”"

And:

"Susan Smith, a director of the For Women Scotland, a campaign group which opposes the self-ID system, claimed Mr Robertson had sunk to a new low.

“In a debate characterised by nonsense and increasingly extreme attempts to justify the theft of women's rights, we thought we were beyond being shocked by MSPs' inanity,” she said.
“But Angus Robertson has made a late entry for idiotic and tasteless GRR tweeting. It's even more offensive when one recalls that UN Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners is also known as the Nelson Mandela Rules and stipulates that men and women must be allocated entirely separate premises.
“Sadly, Mr Mandela is no longer with us, but at least he's spared the knowledge that Robertson thinks the right of sex offenders to share a cell with a rape victim is up there with his long walk to freedom.”"

The last paragraph is an absolute stinger.

That's a great piece in The Telegraph. Here's an archived copy just in case: archive.ph/BiYfr

That latest Telegraph article also says this:

"Many women pointed out that before the transgender reforms were voted on, SNP ministers sought to present them as a minor administrative change, but were now apparently comparing them to one of the most historically significant periods of the 20th Century."

Which I thought also stood out. If it's minor and doesn't do anything new, why do it? And if it's not, then the "it's a small matter" line is exposed as a lie.

Neither did I, but perhaps I missed the moment I announced it at breakfast, I'll go back to being female tomorrow I think.

What an absolute muppet.

’We must do better to ensure truth and clarity define our discussions.’

Since when did the SNP bother with truth and clarity?

They have just voted for deceit and dishonesty. This reform doesn’t let trans people be their true selves. It lets them hide their true selves. It lies. It deceives. It erases history.

Truth and clarity? This eejit should try it sometime.

That's exactly why I keep wondering whether I'd rather take my chance with an outright Labour majority, if the alternative is their needing to placate the SNP in order to form a government. What a choice . Yes I choose to find the dilemma comical.

One thing is for certain the next government will be far better on rights for all of us than the current government.

The recent Policing Act is such a massive invasion of all our rights.

jgw1

I don't think it is the least controversial. Giving those who are trans the opportunity to live their best lives

You appear to be astonishingly obtuse. Do you really, honestly think that putting rapists, with functioning penises, into women's prisons is rational?

jgw. Have you read any of the thread…or do you simply not consider women’s rights important?

Who is proposing that?

I have read the thread thank you, and it seems to me that very many posters are prioritising one small idea over much more pressing issues.

You are, along with the Scottish Government. Have you not read any of the links? Or seen the news recently? Or read many of the comments on this very thread?

There was a poster earlier complaining about people twisting words. I see what they mean.

@jgw1 Who is proposing that?

Not just proposing - it's actually happening, as you would know if you'd actually read the whole thread instead of doing a drive-by. Google Karen White and Katie Dolatowski for just two examples and read through the www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread for other examples.

Bet you won't.

So you are telling me that you can find a quote from Nicola Sturgeon or Keir Starmer saying they want to put male rapists in women's prisons?

You think the rape of women and sexual assault of girls and comfort, safety, privacy and dignity of women in prison is 'one small idea'?

That's cold.

Will Lisa Nandy do?

Can you show me where I said that?

Goodness this thread is amazing for twisting words.

@jgw1 - So you are telling me that you can find a quote from Nicola Sturgeon or Keir Starmer saying they want to put male rapists in women's prisons?

Oh nice side-step and deflection there! They don't have to directly say it (and presumably must be aware how vote-losing it would be to directly say it) when the actual policy actually in real life with real people leads this to happen. Fortunately, more and more people are cottoning on to where 'be kind' without safeguarding leads.

Or Alex Sobel?