Telegraph - Keir Starmer: Pro-trans laws are needed across UK

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At first glance, just (just!!) a rehash of his video from last year. Which said what it said. But there's this:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/12/23/keir-starmer-pro-trans-laws-needed-across-uk/

"Asked by The Telegraph about the leader’s comments to Pink News, Labour confirmed that he stood by plans to reform the GRA.

A party spokesman said: “All political parties agree that the process needs modernising. A future Labour government will consult on what that looks like, while upholding the Equality Act and maintaining single-sex spaces.
“Labour has a strong and proud record of standing up for women’s rights. Our commitment to them is unrelenting.”
Trans rights have become a key electoral battleground in the USS_ and are expected to be similarly important in the UK at the next general election."

Do all political parties agree the GRA needs updating? The Tories just made it easier to get a GRC, and they've not said they plan to do more.

Once again the "maintaining single sex spaces" rhetoric. But next to the Haldane judgement? Come on.

Those comments are glorious.

But what will be said - as has been said to me - is that both the article and the comments should be ignored and disregarded because they are in the Daily Mail, and therefore they are tainted with right wingery, even though most of us protesting this have never been right wing in our lives.

OldCrone

I didn't know about Morris, although the exam one does ring a bell.

It’s not only Labour. Lots of Tories are going to be pushing for changes too.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/gender-recognition-reform-bill-theresa-may-disappointed-scotland-changes-not-considered-for-england-3966348?amp

No, no, it is just a problem of the Labour party, they are horrible to women, whereas the Tories are the party of women. We know this because we can see all the policies of the past 12 years where the Tory party has taken steps to make everyone especially women's lives more difficult.

Oh we know the Tories have been horrific for women which is why so many of us left leaning, third sector working women are pissed off with the Labour party for abandoning us. We know fine well that misogyny runs right through every single political party.

If you look at the whip in Scotland then yes Labour are showing where they lie.

I know pro Labour supporters like to skip past it. But unless Starmer is clear then Labour here is the same. And even then he needs to be categorically not bluffing - like usual where he tries to appease everyone but fails.

I find the continued attitude of Theresa May to this issue, baffling. She seemed to grasp VAWG and wasn't shy about telling the police they'd failed and needed to do better.

She obviously pays attention to what's going on, and I have a memory of tearing Boris apart over Brexit(??). Whatever it was, it was clear she'd really been through the detail.

I know self-ID began to be snuck in under the Con-LD coalition and that she was in charge of the policy area for quite a while. But it's been a long time now - hasn't she sat down and thought about all this? Why continue to come off like you refuse to see it? It's so odd.

And the end of the article sounds like she's given a fair bit of thought to the Boris-Truss-Sunak chopping and changing, and where things might be economically by the time of the next GE.

Yet on self-ID, it's a different story. I did once read a theory that because she'd been so against other measure lumped in under the LGBT banner, but which were LGB equality. No idea if that's right but it's the only thing I ever think of when I try to figure out her entrenched position.

This is not the case. Martin's amendment allows for a risk assessment; it does not prevent sex offenders actually getting a GRC if they pass the risk assessment, thus it does not prevent sex offenders getting into women's safe spaces and refuges, nor does it prevent them entering the female prison estate. The original amendment apparently would have done this.

Long ago when Theresa May was PM, and Penny Mordaunt and Maria Miller where pushing ahead with proposals to “reform” the GRA, James Kirkup wrote an article in the Spectator claiming that though many MPs were against they were reluctant to raise their heads above the parapet (this was back then when David TC Davies was the only MP to openly come out as GC) not least because there was strong support in Cabinet from a surprising source. There was some speculation here as to who this might be. I don’t think anyone guessed Theresa May.

While the Scottish government has insisted the changes do not affect England and Wales, UK ministers fear it could allow biologically male Scottish inmates in English jails, including rapists, to demand to be placed in women’s prisons

From the Times article linked earlier.

If UK ministers are so concerned about the new Scottish law allowing male rapists into English women's prisons then why have they not done anything about the male rapists ALREADY in English women's prisons?

What's he playing at? The Labour party are pretty much equally split, and he's nor usually a hard-left type. I think he's weakly informed about the whole issue and sort of vaguely thinks of it as being pretty much in the same category as "supporting equal rights for gay people" and stuff like that.

Yes! I agree with you completely. I think a lot of it is rooted in mother hatred which is its own form of misogyny, I think. But maybe this is for another thread?

The man was/is a KC you dont get that far by being thick as mince.
He was also director of public prosecutions again, not a job you get by being stupid.

He is one person who definitely should know what this all means.

So assuming he is not a complete dunce because the above, we are left with, he understands perfectly but doesnt care about women, well then I dont want him in charge of the country.

He understands just fine but is more scared of tra in his party than standing up for women, again not someone I want running the country.

He hates women and sees this as some kind of brilliant payback? I dont believe this but still it makes him a terrible prospect for running the country.

Every reason you can think of why hes trying to not get involved, shut down the conversation, tell women that we cannot say only women have a cervix, etc etc means he is a terrible prospect to run this country.

Get what you are saying but under our voting system we will get a Labour or a Tory Govt in 2 years time and after 12 years years of the Tories, we are seeing the erosion of womens rights across the board, not least in economic policy.

I listened to Terresa May on the Radio yesterday, still wants GRA reform i.e self ID without medical review.

But to be brutally honest, the trans debate is just not cutting it with the electorate right now, its seen as a fringe issue.

And as I posted previously. Yes it could well be that labour get in, plans are in place to fight this shit if that happens. Women are not as stupid as keir thinks.
Still even if unlikely, it's still possible for Tory rule again. Theres a long time between now and then, a lot can happen.

Plus it will be funny af watching kjk run against keir in his constituency too.
That should open some eyes.

To be fair to Starmer (not a phrase you see me using very often) he was, as I recall, the only leadership contender who even recognised there was an issue. He's also not the first leader who's struggled to control elements within his own party. So I do retain a certain level of sympathy for him although it's running out fast.

But to be brutally honest, the trans debate is just not cutting it with the electorate right now, its seen as a fringe issue.

I can see the RW press making it into a wedge issue. They're already trying.

The RW media do like to have their daily hate.

Oh yes.

I’m more aligned with the Morning Star myself

The media can just refer to this string of hate directed at women if they want

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=46&t=bWaSZmKokwRkVpH6m1TesA

Would make eye-catching billboards, too

It would be fairly simple for the Labour party to point to all the policies that the Tories have introduced in the past 12 years that harm, often disproportionately women....

Not looking great when you see it together

Caring about women’s rights isn’t a hate campaign anyway, as much as Labour supporters try to position it as such

Embarrassing when you see it all collated like that isn't it? So much woman hatred and safeguarding dismantling. Never a good look.

Have they done this? Can you post a link?