What would happen if…

[AnnaTortoiseshell]

We all identified as trans women?

I often think this, and would be really interested to hear views of the FWR women.

What would happen if it became a hate crime against females to 'identify as a woman' when you're a male. Let's reclaim the word woman and stop the handmaids and their toxic male TWAW overlords.

@dadjoke is always asked the same thing and always posts something irrelevant to try and hide the fact he doesn't know the answer. I'm honest when I say I don't know how trans is defined well enough to establish whether someone is or not. I understand gender dysphoria and wanting to be the opposite sex - if this is what DadJoke thinks 'transgender' means then why not just say it? But it seems to be more than that. But he doesn't know what, at least he's not able to articulate it.

And yes, 'gender reassignment' includes people who say they intend to transition. I didn't want to confuse DadJoke with too many points, though... as it seems he's quite muddled about it all.

Oh, that's fair cheered me up!

But at least it's been admitted on this thread that it's logically possible to "lie" about being trans - that simply saying you are doesn't mean you are. If only someone could clarify what it is!

Haha always a good laugh @DadJoke

Tempting. And I'd get £5 k a year more from my firm if my (younger, less qualified) room mate at work is anything to go by.

Plus i would not have to actually do anything liek dress differently, take hormones or have surgery. Plus i could actually some days be in girl mode or boy mode depending on what suits me at the time.

In the meantime I'd like to identify my way out of some chronic health problems as well because they are getting me down a bit as well.

Read the form with which you apply. You have to say when you have transitioned. Only transgender people transition, ad yet those complete clowns at legally male say they want a GRC without transitioning. I can't believe that people who are so invested in this issue haven't done the most basic research.

Interesting
Might make it easier to get a hysterectomy. Just declare yourself a man and pay a £5.
I know women who've been refused or had to wait years.

But that’s the beauty of the Bill! You don’t need to “lie” about being trans because there is nothing in the Bill about being trans. It’s all about living as the opposite gender and how you define that is really up to you (though I would suggest including some stereotypical stuff)

The Bill is clearly not just for trans people but also for anyone who might wish to legally be the opposite sex with minimal effort! 😉

If trans women are women, is the converse true? Are women trans women? If not, what’s the difference?

But as far as I can tell I have transitioned

I am no different to any man - except those that actually want to be women - that I can't understand so I guess I am not a woman

I mean my instincts say gender is something that should be deprecated but I am going with the consensus in government and toeing the line as best I can

But it’s up to you HOW you transition! That’s the beauty of it! There is no definition and again, our Shona says it could be a change in utility bill, so you could use that date as the date of your transtion!

Can someone please post the link to the new Scottish GRC application form as referenced by DadJoke ?

Only transgender people transition

You don't know what either of those terms actually mean, though, do you?

I was thinking last night, when should a woman in Scotland identify as a man:
When in their 30s applying for jobs so they arent discriminated against in case they go on maternity.
When shopping for cars so they dont get talked down to.
When applying for jobs as a primary school teacher as they are very keen for more males.
When a looking for work as a professional dancer as the market is female saturated.
When buying hairdye or having haircut - notably cheaper.

Any more?

Impressive display of gatekeeping by DadJoke here.

Hardly in the spirit of the new legislation.

How does one transition please?

DadJoke? Bad joke, more like.

What would happen if... DadJoke realised that the whole thing is built on sand?

No effort needed. Just pay a fiver and off you go...

Oh, gosh. Hold on.

I think ... wait ... oooh ...

I think I just transitioned.

Where do I sign for one of the new certificates please?

I just got a utility bill, too, so that's that sorted.

What does transitioning consist of please?

I think I might have transitioned last Tuesday but I'm not sure. How will I know?

Did you want to buy a powertool or have a pee while standing up or just feel like wearing a pair of comfortable trousers. All of these would qualify you.

I'm pretty sure we worked out before that most of us came under the trans umbrella (not identifying fully with gender assigned to us). So we must be entitled to a certificate to demonstrate this?