Greta Thunberg "♡♡♡" the Edinburgh bullyboys

[Fenlandia]

In reply to one of them, an 18 year old he/himmer, bragging about having stopped women watching a film:

mobile.twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1603397308678549505

Well it’s not hard to buy a none disposable mask and use a old Nokia phone. Practice what you preach

You don’t see many vegans eating steak do you?

Greta is not just an autistic teenager. She is someone who has spoken at COP and been given a loud voice on the world stage. Therefore not only is what she says open for critique, it is imperative we do critique it and condemn it where necessary. Being young or autistic doesn’t mean you get to influence people without question. If you are vulnerable then those around you should protect you by not putting you forward, because as soon as you step on that stage then you must be questioned and held to account.

Sadly, it is natural. That's why Greta would be barred from serving on the jury, if her friend had injured someone; her natural bias would preclude her.

Not long back, my local paper reported that a man very local to me had been convicted of raping young teenagers and threatening them to keep silent. Also up in the dock were some female teens around Greta's age. They were friends of the defendant, and so entirely subscribed to his version of events. As a result, they'd chosen to engage in a coordinated campaign of harassment against the girls he'd raped. One girl received a suspended sentence, and as she wasn't in prison, she spent the evening defaming the victims in the newspaper's online comment section.

The ability to look at one's friends/family objectively/semi-objectively and say "no, you're in the wrong" is a skill mostly only developed in full adulthood, and often, not even then.

Good points well made. I agree.

I agree it’s ok to question and criticise what she does and says, respectfully. But someone like her is going to be absolutely surrounded by extreme gender ideology, it’s rampant in green circles and media etc. on top of her being prime demographic for getting sucked in. People around her (and to be fair. “science” sources like scientific American) will be telling her that the science supports this view. As she’s not a scientist, she may not be equipped to analyse the supposedly scientific claims and work out what makes sense, so she may well think it genuinely does.

But the whole point of climate change is it is the cumulative effect of individual actions - take a bus or drive, buy new or recycle, leave lights on or turn them off - times seven billion. If you are condemning those individual choices others make then using a phone manufactured halfway around the world in a country with dubious human rights record IS hypocritical.

A mask being one of those things that were required by law? In fact, in Germany N95/FFP2 masks are still compulsory on public transport, no one in Europe was using washable ones.

As I'm not a supporter of those who committed the attacks I see no need to disassociate myself

You on the other hand make common cause with those who have mocked Thunberg.

I agree but her status also means that her statements on this must be challenged. She isn’t an anonymous student where it might be reasonable to ignore and put down to youth.

What do you find common cause with.

Are you going to condemn the violent mob?

On masks, I agree. Washable masks was nonsense; evidence didn’t so much as not back up their use but actually showed risk of increased infection.

Don’t be stupid the mask she was wearing wasn’t even re-usable it was a throw away use once hobby and she wasn’t in Germany

^ And that's being polite!

@publicsafetyRight there 5 posts above yours, and again by somebody else 3 or so below yours.

Too young to criticize.
Old enough for surgery.

Greta Thunberg is an influencer. She has an influential voice to many young people.

Her support, her enthusiastic support as it is three hearts, carries a lot of weight to those young people.

It is absolutely correct that she be held accountable for this tweet. She is supporting activists refusing to even address the documentary, activists who have not watched it, or attempted to debate adequately where they disagree.

I'm old enough to remember when a white South African runner, Zola Budd, came to the UK and competed for Great Britain as a way round the sporting boycott of apartheid South Africa. Budd, who was 18 at the time, had to put up with anti-apartheid activists protesting at every meeting she raced at.

There was an argument that, at 18, Budd was too young to be targeted by political activists. But my view was - and is - that she was old enough to engage in a deeply political act, namely breaking the sporting boycott. And, of course, she was old enough to vote - as is Thunberg.

Are you not listening? When most European countries had mask mandates, pretty much everyone was wearing the blue surgical ones, with a handful going for N95/FFP2. Virtually no one wore washable ones. It was the law, and unlike in this country where anyone could say "I'm exempt" with no further challenge, in Europe it was actually enforced.

I wonder to what extent the 'the most environmentally unfriendly thing you can do is have children' narrative (which is likely to be true) plays into the teenage activist carelessness about the loss of fertility that transitioning will probably entail?

I've made common cause with whom? Where? Receipts, please.

Just catching up on this thread. I'd like to also ask about this "common cause" thing. That will be three people asking, and maybe that will be the magic number.

No, but it should be.

There is not a later time that it would be better for people to disagree with her.

We are talking about her attitude to basic civil liberties, if she talks absolute rubbish, adults should point this out to her. If she really is that unable to think for herself, that is all the more important.

Alas, it seems not.

I think it's a vague attempt to suggest that anyone who vaguely agreed with anyone on any subject is therefore 'making common cause' with said person and is therefore in agreement with them on every issue, ever. Unsure, though.

This by Ian Leslie is very interesting comparing the effectiveness of Bono's campaigning with the approach of people like Geta T. ianleslie.substack.com/p/how-to-be-good

Interesting piece.

Do you remember how suddenly Bono and U2 became unfashionable?

They went in a flash from being a slightly over the hill band whose biggest hits were behind them to suddenly everyone saying how awful and cringe they were. Why was that?