Oxford union official, Ellie Greaves, sorry for ‘hurting trans people’Oxford union official, Ellie Greaves, sorry for ‘hurting trans people’

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Bloody depressing read:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3a918a08-70d8-11ed-a188-d2cb771901d6?shareToken=aeb345cd0257014019db91fd84eccbda

That is so well-put! 💯agree.

OMFG

Absolutely - "I will endeavour to educate myself" is straight from the script for these compelled speech apologies.

The poor woman. That statement reads like a gun was held to her head. It reminds me of a hostage saying " I'm fine my captors are treating me well" whilst the video shows a person with a black eye and blood dripping down from their hairline.

She has a facebook page with a college email address which should bypass the SU.

Here’s hoping.

Ellie: you have a great future ahead of you. Please don’t be discouraged.

‘ There is already a Vice President of Welfare and Equal Opportunities. www.oxfordsu.org/representation/sabbatical-officers/vpweo/ ‘

….and she can’t spell her own name; no seriously, she is ‘Grace’ in the headline and ‘ Garce’ on the click for more info button.

So this ‘Union’ can’t proof read its own biographies, but you are expected to take their pronouncements on biological and social matters seriously.

Oxford used to be quite a good University, I believe.

I don't even get why what she said originally was supposed to be trans exclusionary.

Because if you say anything without first genuflecting to the Trans-Idols, erecting a golden binderpacker on a plinth and saying three Hail Katies, you are a heretic.

For the first time in my life, I would be ok if my dd decided not to go to University. That stupid brain dead shit is embarrassing

I'm not going to encourage mine to do so unless they have need of a vocational qual. Academia seems to be an actively damaging experience that discourages critical thinking.

For the first time in my life, I would be ok if my dd decided not to go to University. That stupid brain dead shit is embarrassing

Read a piece by "Holly Math Nerd" along those lines this week.

She's in the US, and part of me thinks "surely this is all hyperbole", but I'm not sure how much I can hold on to my belief that universities are still how they were in the 90s in my time, given the endless stories like this.

Her conclusion:

The hardest part of all of this might be the necessary mental correction: re-framing college from what it once was—what it may even have been for you—into what it really is, now.

Sending a kid to college is a decision to be taken extremely seriously. If you’re going to do it, treat it like you’re sending them to war. Because you are.

Only send them if you must, arm them as fully as you can, and provide every defense possible.

Good luck.

Was initially confused & thought The Other Place had gone all Hold My Port over the Doc Stock debate, then read the article & realised it’s about OUSU not the Oxford Union 🤦‍♀️

That poor young woman. I’d love an explanation of the alleged “damage” she’s caused “the trans community”. The simple act of not centring them at all times is obviously a grievous & unforgivable hurt. It’s abundantly clear who the “reformed” role is going to focus on, just from the response. Trying to lump together the disparate groups covered by the EA isn’t going to work because, while people may belong to more than one of those groups, you know, in the real sense of intersectionality, they have such an enormous range of - sometimes conflicting - needs; & even if their needs don’t directly conflict, they’ll have completely different priorities. Even within minority groups you get conflicting needs - disability being the obvious example.

Utterly grotesque. The role of Women’s Officer is so important that women’s Colleges have them. Well Newnham JCR now has a Women’s & Non-Binary Officer 🙄🤨 (but also has students utterly averse to GenderWoo - & indeed not all the JCR put their pronouns in their profiles I notice) but the MCR remain resolutely TERFy 😉 It seems the SCR as well, given they’ve yet to follow Murray-Edwards into allowing males to self-ID their way in. I do wonder how many “Medwards Transgirls” are studying “traditionally male” subjects - things like Engineering & Physics… though of course, how confident would any academic feel about rejecting an applicant, or even pooling them (something that often happens to girls precisely because there are women’s Colleges 🤨) if it might lead to an accusation of transphobia? 🤔

Ooh, port. Tis the season. Will go nicely with some Labour Sex Fudge.

Sorry, don't mind me, I'm mixing up threads and obviously hungry.

Holly Math Nerd article:

'If your kid is artistically talented and wants to become a musician, writer, artist, actor, etc., do not even consider college. Take the money you’d be spending on college and use it to set them up to get better and learn more'

100%.

Art schools/colleges are probably more likely to fuck your kids up than provide them with any meaningful tuition, education, or even life lessons. Time and money would be FAR better spent with a decent day job and lots and lots of self education.

Post modernist theory is not supposed to help anyone. All it does is destabilise, corrode, unsettle, etc. (That's what it's supposed to do, really). Very useful to study it itself as a subject, and probably harmless so long as you happen to be one of the very privileged who won't come up against the sharp realities of life - but you should know that social subjects are ALL grounded in this highly harmful and discombobulating worldview as if it's a religious truth - and taught through that lens of queering, undermining and up-ending everything you think you know.

Plus institues of HE are now money-making machines. It's all about the fees, baby.

Also: Teach them about the Red Guard and the Cultural Revolution.

Will go nicely with some Labour Sex Fudge

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They asked the author Will Self to discuss this on the radio this morning. He piffled on about shades of grey and life isn't simple.

WILL SELF has no opinion on freedom of speech, reality and protected belief.

Luckily there was an older lady who said WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH.

What programme please @MorrisZapp ?

I do wonder how many “Medwards Transgirls” are studying “traditionally male” subjects - things like Engineering & Physics… though of course, how confident would any academic feel about rejecting an applicant, or even pooling them (something that often happens to girls precisely because there are women’s Colleges 🤨) if it might lead to an accusation of transphobia?

I wonder if there actually are any 'medwards transgirls' even.

I was thinking about going back to university to do a degree. One of the main things stopping me is that I couldn’t navigate the absolutely nonsensical pseudo-intellectual bullshit: I’d be cancelled within a month 😕

I’ve been thinking the same.

I've been pondering along these lines.
I hope I'm wrong, but I wondered if it's something to do with the majority of people going along with the prevailing societal ideas they are brought up with. Once, it would have been the outliers, the free thinkers, the critical thinkers, who questioned society and started the fight for equality for various groups. But today's youngsters - and probably their parents to some extent - were brought up with the language and ideas of equality. They haven't come to that conclusion themselves, it is the prevailing narrative in society (at least in principle if not practice). So they don't actually have the ability or practice in critical thinking as that's not what's informed their beliefs. But as the older/historical voices for equality were critical and insightful, we expect the younger generation to have these attributes rather than just be blindly following the herd.

Poor Ellie. Her original article sounds so great, sensible, articulate, focused on areas of need. Her official recantation not so much. She's probably been through hell

Will Self couldn't say anything? What a fucking loser. Always suspected he was nothing but a pseud.