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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC acknowledges that 'gender neutral' could 'could actually result in less equality'

59 replies

JellySaurus · 25/11/2022 07:30

^As a result, women could have a higher hill to climb to score a win.
In the long-term, it's not hard to imagine the outrage if a decision like this led to a repeated loss of recognition for worthy winners, particularly women.^

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63741519

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NancyDrawed · 25/11/2022 07:39

That's encouraging - both that the writer of the analysis wrote it and that the BBC published it.

Emma Corrin comes across as trying way too hard,

"Your gender identity is so much to do with how you feel and it ties into so much of how you want to be seen or are seen by people and that can be very triggering or can make you uncomfortable if you don't feel you are being seen honestly or correctly.

"I think that it was necessary for me to be open and honest about it because otherwise I would have felt I was being perceived wrongly."

"I know how much I've been helped by people in the public [eye] who have been open and generous with their journeys and how much it's helped me feel comforted and acknowledged and like I am on the right path.

Boo hoo that you don't see me the way I have told you to, the way I see myself.

And 'on the right path' but it's not a belief system / religion?

bellinisurge · 25/11/2022 07:40

"They said they did not worry that being so up front would limit the kind of roles they got offered in the future. 'I would never sacrifice integrity or honesty because of work that I may or may not get. My being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity or my femininity in any way. It's sort of an embrace of that. "I still want to play women, my experience on this earth has been a female one - and now it's sort of a very fluid one.'" The Eddie Izzard defence. Only this time used by a tall , blonde, slim white woman trying to make herself seem different from other tall blonde slim white women.

DuncanBiscuits · 25/11/2022 07:41

Attention seeking ninny.

midgetastic · 25/11/2022 07:57

Radical notion here

Rather than thinking the categories relate to gender , just keep them sex based ? Then she could not feel homeless

334bu · 25/11/2022 08:16

As a working actor I would have thought Emma would have been more aware of the disparity in number of leading roles for men and women . Maybe someone should remind Emma of this.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4365106-so-the-dutch-made-their-baftas-gender-neutral-and-guess-who-won-all-the-acting-categories

Hoardasurass · 25/11/2022 08:17

God I couldn't finish corens navel gazing crap. Its always the same with the trans/non-binary people the might aswell scream "I'm so special everything must be about ME". Ugh

Notarealmum · 25/11/2022 08:19

It’s probably all related to the fact that she’s ‘about to star in a new stage adaptation of Virginia Woolf's novel Orlando’. It seems she used she/her until quite recently.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/11/2022 08:25

When ppl talk about straight people being ‘queer tourists’ corrin and Corinne being NB always comes to mind

comes from a wealthy family, public school, Cambridge & then picked to play Diana straight out of university

diana brought EC instant fame & critical praise. EC is invited everywhere, showered with gifts, Invitations & EC career has gone from strength to strength

corrin demonstrates their NB by having short hair, wearing an assortment of odd outfits and holding all the ‘appropriate’ opinions - TWAW, sex work is work and gets to claim special status under LGBTQ+ despite living a life of privilege most people can only dream of

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/11/2022 08:25

Corrin not Corinne ffs!

Chersfrozenface · 25/11/2022 08:30

I've recently seen a casting call for a production somewhere obscure in London where the requirements, for the entire cast, were for "non binary female presenting" and "non binary male presenting" actors.

tresleches · 25/11/2022 08:41

There's a play currently being advertised by the National Theatre for Scotland boasting an "all-woman and non-binary cast". Why am I not surprised that gender ideology thrives in theatre and its marketing

nauticant · 25/11/2022 08:50

Emma Corrin is on the Today programme right now going on about their special identity. (They's in a stage production of Orlando.) This stuff really is tiresome.

nauticant · 25/11/2022 08:52

Apparently it's upsetting for Emma to be nominated for acting awards in the female category when that doesn't match her special identity.

The way to solve the risk of her being upset is for everything to be made gender neutral.

waterwitch · 25/11/2022 08:56

334bu - agreeing with you, that before making awards non-binary, there should be equal access to good quality roles for me & women and for all ages. Maybe EC would better spend her time campaigning for that as a step towards her goals?

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

Zeugma · 25/11/2022 09:15

If they is so agonised by the impossible difficulty of their 'journey' and the terrible ever-present danger of being triggered by us uncomprehending mere mortals not understanding how triggering it can be for themselves to play female roles despite ''sort of celebrating' their femininity'……might I suggest that maybe acting isn’t the job for them (selves)?

I bet there's a really fun-filled atmosphere on set when they is around.

OldCrone · 25/11/2022 09:25

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

It's a special identity which makes her special and not like all the other boring women who don't have a special identity.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/11/2022 09:31

What's non binary about a metal, badly fitted, bra with trumpet nipples?

Chersfrozenface · 25/11/2022 09:32

Acting is a precarious profession.

A hypothetical female actor might wish to claim/embrace non-binaryness when auditioning for or playing a certain role or in a particular production, but declare that she was not rejecting her femininity in the hope of getting traditional female roles in future.

NecessaryScene · 25/11/2022 09:34

I would never sacrifice integrity or honesty

I'm not sure these words mean what she thinks they mean.

I'm picturing a toddler patiently explaining why they can't take their hand out of the cookie jar.

Boiledbeetle · 25/11/2022 09:48

EC: "Your gender identity is so much to do with how you feel and it ties into so much of how you want to be seen or are seen by people and that can be very triggering or can make you uncomfortable if you don't feel you are being seen honestly or correctly"

honestly how do people like this actually mange to get out of bed and interact with the world.

Why is everything triggering?

midgetastic · 25/11/2022 09:54

How you want to be seen

Most criminals want to be seen as innocent. And I I guess it's very triggering for them when the judge doesn't see it that way

NotBadConsidering · 25/11/2022 10:02

AdamRyan · 25/11/2022 09:11

Corrin, pictured at the Olivier Awards earlier this year, says "being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity"

Eh?? What is it then?

We are so often told what all of these identities are not, but we are never told what they actually are.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2022 10:09

When it comes to categories, do we need to make it specific as to whether you're being nominated for a female role or a male role?

No, I agree with that - quite a lot of roles are not ones that must be played by one sex or the other. Orlando is a particularly obvious example which explicitly doesn't fit the 'male or female role' model. The categories should simply be according to the sex of the actor, which is fully inclusive regardless of 'gender' or lack thereof. The reason for having the two sexed categories is because females are - maybe due to unconscious biases or casting decisions or whatever - still liable to be significantly underrepresented if there's just one category.

deeperthanallroses · 25/11/2022 10:13

They said they did not worry that being so up front would limit the kind of roles they got offered in the future.
"I would never sacrifice integrity or honesty because of work that I may or may not get. My being non-binary is not a rejection of femininity or my femininity in any way. It's sort of an embrace of that.
"I still want to play women, my experience on this earth has been a female one - and now it's sort of a very fluid one."
its just really triggering to be nominated for a womens award. But I do expect to keep being offered amazing female roles… yeah whatever. This is a really simple fix, if you don’t want the womens awards, decline the female roles.

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