So the Dutch made their BAFTAs "gender neutral" and guess who won all the acting categories?

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This year the Dutch equivalent of the BAFTAs announced the acting prizes would all be "gender neutral".

Award ceremony last night.

Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor awards for film went to two men.

Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor for TV awards went to..you guessed it, two men.

As the article below points out, there's a glaringly obvious correlation to the types of roles written for women and the quantity of in-depth ones available for them too. I'd add that there are also less roles for older, experienced women to play, unlike men and how that influences the entire industry for women (filters more out at a younger age).

Maybe this will spur on better roles for women..? Still, even if that's the case, it's unlikely to change much next year given the time it takes to write, produce, edit and air (never mind finance). So I wonder if next year the judges will need to be a little less "gender blind" and make sure a woman appears there too, or they're going to have "gender neutral" awards that look even more..sexist..than they do today!

The article is in Dutch but Google translate can help.
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/10/01/gouden-kalf-voor-de-veroordeling-a4060463

Wow, what a surprise,not!

Almost like it’s a good idea to have female only categories. They should try that idea next year

And this is all in the name of inclusivity, fantastic.

You could have two categories for male and female roles, so the gazillions of transwomen who pass can play women convincingly on screen and pick up all the gongs.

When will this pandemic of sexist stupidity end?

@Jaysmith71

You could have two categories for male and female roles, so the gazillions of transwomen who pass can play women convincingly on screen and pick up all the gongs.

😂😂

Oh FFS... women you have too much equality.... let's make this more inclusive and show you what the world really thinks of women.

I saw in an article recently, someone talking about The BRITS where Sam Smith was mentioned rwt M & F categories and what Smith would be eligible for, if any. This statement was mentioned “The Brits are committed to evolving the show and the gendered categories are very much under review. But any changes made to be more inclusive need to be just that - if a change unintentionally leads to less inclusion then it risks being counterproductive to diversity and equality. We need to consult more widely before changes are made to make sure we get it right.”

So predictable

Aaaah, Sam Smith, who back when he was gay, claimed to be the first British gay Oscar-winner. News to Jaye Davidson, Ian McKellen and Johnny Gielgud.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Maybe the women should have just tried harder

Do we know they were men? This is ridiculous. Nobody checked inside their pants. Ewwww.

Dismaying but not surprising. Inclusivity is an easy way of making women invisible.

Mad mad mad 😠

Leave Sam Smith out of the Brits altogether; that'll solve that conundrum
(Not a fan)

And SS ruined 'I feel love '
Ruined it

@Eyesofdisarray

Mad mad mad 😠

Leave Sam Smith out of the Brits altogether; that'll solve that conundrum
(Not a fan)

I believe that is the situation.

even if that's the case, it's unlikely to change much next year given the time it takes to write, produce, edit and air (never mind finance).

Wouldn't it be financially less risk to continue to churn out films and programmes that showcase men if they are the ones who will win accolades and awards?

Miserable and predictable.

Sigh. Totally predictable outcome.

No one could have seen this coming. No one.

Well that's funny in a depressing kind of way.

I think for awards like this it will always be better to have actress and actor categories, even in an ideal world. Whereas I'm not sure I'd say the same about painting or literature. But acting, or dance, are so much related to physical embodiment, I'm not sure you can separate them out without acknowledging sex.

@TimeToDateAgain

even if that's the case, it's unlikely to change much next year given the time it takes to write, produce, edit and air (never mind finance).

Wouldn't it be financially less risk to continue to churn out films and programmes that showcase men if they are the ones who will win accolades and awards?

Miserable and predictable.

Yes, good point!

@LobsterNapkin I am not sure it's about physical embodiment but more about ingrained and unconscious bias as well as structural mysogny.

Interesting that you don't think literature and art should be separated. The Women's Prize for Fiction was created after the 1991 Booker Prize short list was all male. The Booker Prize winners list is skewed towards men. The Turner Pirze for art.. even more so.

dam.. misogyny..

[quote ChateauMargaux]@LobsterNapkin I am not sure it's about physical embodiment but more about ingrained and unconscious bias as well as structural mysogny.

Interesting that you don't think literature and art should be separated. The Women's Prize for Fiction was created after the 1991 Booker Prize short list was all male. The Booker Prize winners list is skewed towards men. The Turner Pirze for art.. even more so.[/quote]
I said in an idealized scenario, ie, one where there was no sexism or bias in the picture.