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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mass Shooter in Colorado identifies as non-binary

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fromorbit · 23/11/2022 09:13

Anderson Aldrich, the evil male who shot up a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs and killed 5 people in a horrific act is according to their lawyers non-binary.

"Anderson Aldrich is non-binary. They use they/them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich,"

www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-springs-lgbtq-club-shooting-suspect-identifying-non-binary-court-documents/

We still don't know much about Aldrich's motivations yet. It could be he is a male predator with mental issues who has used non binary pronouns to get closer to victims for a while like Ezra Miller. Alternatively it could be he was alienated from society and being non-binary was part of a mental escape. Perhaps he was angry at his family and society and decided to go on a killing spree a common motivation in in the States where guns are so accessible.

Alternatively we could be looking at a male right wing fanatic who sees gay culture as evil and a joke and is suddenly identifying as non-binary so he can justify killing people and is trying to create an ideological defence.

What we do know about him is he has a history of violence and bomb threats against his family. His family life was chaotic with a porn star father and mother dealing with drug abuse & alcoholism, and he was bullied at school. So this could fit either option turning to the escapism of genderism or turning to the right:
edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/colorado-suspect-background-aldrich-invs/index.html

A lot of this fits the profile of the average mass shooter - an isolated young male, with power fantasies, and love of guns. Why they claim to kill people - religion, incelism, politics, insecurity, desire for fame, being bullied - ultimately doesn't matter that much.

It doesn't matter how men identify themselves or what excuses they use to justify violence. The point is male violence is part of life, especially while young, we can minimise it, but it we have to recognise it as the threat it is as a society and prioritise safety first and that SEX Matters. Decent men know this and will help us do that.

Initially after the killing lots of people online were blaming American and British feminists and right wing Republicans for the killing because they have both are critical of drag queen acts for kids, defending women's sports, and are against medical experimentation on kids. Anderson identifying as non-binary shows absurd that is. Yes Republicans who idolize male gun culture and violence do have responsibility of course. They have responsibility for all the 20-30,000 killings in the USA every year - not just this one. Women who are trying to stop all violence do not - it is absurd to think they do.

Whatever Aldrich motivations his evil act demonstrates how male violence works. People were fine with self id when it was about raping and murdering women - now when a gay club is shot up by someone non-binary will people take safeguarding seriously? Perhaps being non binary means he will be jailed in a women's prison - how messed up will that be. Or perhaps he will claim he was being bullied and transphobia turned him into a killer and try to get a sentence reduction.

This case is probably going to be massive.

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VestofAbsurdity · 23/11/2022 14:20

EsmaCannonball · 23/11/2022 13:48

TRA Twitter right now: people are who they say they are and you are a bigot if you don't accept them ....... erm, except in this one instance where you are a bigot if you believe this person is who he is says he is! Look, we decide the rules and the logic like we decide our pronouns and if you can't read our minds on any given issue then just accept you're a bigot!

Exactly it's pick and choose time with the trope of everyone is who they say they are isn't it? Much like the rest of their demands.

ArabellaScott · 23/11/2022 14:23

Someone on Twitter:

'A court filing identified Anderson Aldrich as nonbinary.

Given the context of the case, particularly the current climate of disinformation, it is absolutely vital that media confirm this identification before reporting it as factual.'

How are they proposing the identification of non-binary is 'confirmed'? What are the criteria?

turbonerd · 23/11/2022 14:23

In the Guardian both Arwa Madhavi and Brandon Wolf both blame «Rightwing anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric made the Club Q massacre inevitable» and the Colorado shooting is blamed on the same.

sorry cannot link on phone.

They both seem to include terfs in their Rightwing/anti-LGBTQ+ group of people.

It is terrible that the USA has such lax gun laws and such an easy access to machine Guns. It is also gruesome that some young men feel that the answer to their troubles is to go on a mass killing spree, it is heartbreaking.

Pallisers · 23/11/2022 14:26

There is something deeply distasteful about this man having every reporter and commentator on this crime dancing around using the pronouns of his choice. He is a deeply troubled murderer who has ruined lives. His pronouns and his gender identity is nothing to the world. he is just another disaffected young man with easy access to a gun. I don't give a shit what he feels about his gender.

Clymene · 23/11/2022 14:31

bellinisurge · 23/11/2022 13:27

@RumNotRun saw speculation on CNN that it was possibly a tactic to downplay any attempt by the prosecution to argue it was a transphobic hate crime.

It's really telling how trans is being totally centred in this whole horrific episode. I saw some British pundit say the shooting happened on transgender day of remembrance (they had, in their rush to make this about transphobia, forgotten about the time difference). It happened on Saturday night.

Two of the victims were straight, two were trans and one was a gay man. I have seen repeated assertions that the straight man was a transman.

Finally, one of the drag queens got involved belatedly in taking down Aldritch after two men had pretty much incapacitated him and that was who the BBC featured in their headline.

The Guardian is doubling down on their stance that this attack was fuelled by a right wing agenda: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/23/club-q-colorado-springs-shooting-pulse-orlando

This article was written by a survivor of the Pulse massacre who seems to have forgotten that was a jihadi terrorist

LaughingPriest · 23/11/2022 14:33

When trans orgs are saying same-sex sexual orientation is akin to racism how can it not be a homophobic attack?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/11/2022 14:39

frozengoose · 23/11/2022 14:09

Well the republicans in Indiana carry a heavy responsibility for the number of guns in Chicago.

So if someone in Chicago drives across a state bound art to buy a gun in order to commit a crime, in your book, it’s all the fault of the person who perfectly legally sold it to them. Okay, personal responsibility is limited to Republicans….that makes sense.

EsmaCannonball · 23/11/2022 14:42

Another line being taken by TRA Twitter is that straight people identify as non-binary to foist themselves into the LGBTQ community. Now imagine the monstering JKR or Maya Forstater would get for saying the same thing.

YankeeDad · 23/11/2022 14:43

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/11/2022 09:27

How on earth do ‘Republicans’ who ‘idolise gun culture’ bear responsibility for the mayhem in Chicago and other ghettos?

Desperate attempt to blame what I presume are your perceived political opponents for what appears to be pretty straightforward. Troubled bloke ( for that was des identity at the time of the offence, no misgendering here) shoots up venue which xe then reveal is really where x wants to be.

Republicans as a voting bloc in the USA have, for many years and decades, blocked efforts to institute reasonable limitations on the ability of individuals to procure guns. They have successfully ensured that almost anyone with a bit of cash can easily and legally get their hands on the firearm of their choice, including even a military-style assault rifle. Certain Republicans have also ensured that in many states, people can walk around openly carrying their guns and can bring them into almost any establishment. So smoking on the premises can be banned for the protection of staff and other customers, but not guns.

The gun lobby says that people are killed by "bad" people, not by guns, but every country in the world has people who are angry or criminal or mentally disturbed enough to want to kill others. What is different about the USA is easy access to guns. It is no coincidence that the USA is the only developed country plagued by constant mass shootings.

I do not see how anyone with even the tiniest modicum of intelligence and intellectual honesty can choose NOT to attribute the responsibility for this to the policies upon which Republicans have insisted. A person might prioritise other issues and vote for the Republicans anyway, but on this one issue, the Republicans are clearly and unambiguously at fault.

Clymene · 23/11/2022 14:48

EsmaCannonball · 23/11/2022 14:42

Another line being taken by TRA Twitter is that straight people identify as non-binary to foist themselves into the LGBTQ community. Now imagine the monstering JKR or Maya Forstater would get for saying the same thing.

I do agree with them there. The only people I know who identify as non binary are straight people who have suddenly found a way to make themselves part of the 'queer' community

MissingLesbianSpaces · 23/11/2022 14:54

When people say he was part of the LGBTQ community, it disgusts me that lesbians are thrown into this group. We have NOTHING in common with violent males. Imagine if the straight women here were included in this murderer's identity? It just pisses me off -- this is why I support Get the L Out.

frozengoose · 23/11/2022 15:05

So if someone in Chicago drives across a state bound art to buy a gun in order to commit a crime, in your book, it’s all the fault of the person who perfectly legally sold it to them. Okay, personal responsibility is limited to Republicans….that makes sense.

Individuals have responsibility for their own actions.

Society also has a responsibility to promote safety and well-being. Members of society who ignore the impact of their behavior on others are irresponsible.

So in terms of Chicago both the people buying the weapon and the law makers who have allowed it to be legally sold have responsibilities.

It is possible for more than one person to have responsibility in a situation.

NecessaryScene · 23/11/2022 15:13

The Guardian is doubling down on their stance that this attack was fuelled by a right wing agenda - This article was written by a survivor of the Pulse massacre who seems to have forgotten that was a jihadi terrorist

So they're also doubling down on the lie that the Pulse attack was "anti-LGB(T(Q(...)))".

Surely one of the main takeaways from that for the media should have been to NOT jump to that sort of conclusion in future.

greenwald.substack.com/p/the-enduring-false-narrative-about

I get the impression the writer of that Guardian piece knows the truth about Pulse but wants to avoid mentioning it - he carefully avoids saying that it was "anti-LGBTQ+", and just implies it.

And then goes on to leap to conclusions about this attack.

BellaAmorosa · 23/11/2022 15:15

RumNotRun · 23/11/2022 13:25

I wonder if Anderson decided this or if Anderson's lawyers came up with it? If the former, I wonder what the lawyers are thinking, and if the latter, I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation, especially as Anderson (to me anyway) seems to be powered by hate. Trying to persuade Anderson to declare Anderson is one of the people Anderson hates may have been interesting.

I thought it was a homophobic killing? Didn't he shout a lot of homophobic abuse? Or am I mixing him up with someone else?

IMO, saying he has a special identity is his way of trying to elicit sympathy. Claiming to be nonbinary is perhaps as far as a homophobe would be prepared to venture under the trans umbrella if he thinks effeminate men are disgusting. Also when convicted he can apply to go to a women's prison and will almost certainly be successful.

BellaAmorosa · 23/11/2022 15:18

And yes, the gun laws do have a part to play but the USA also has a serious, entrenched societal problem of violence. Canada I believe has more guns per person, but a murder-by-gun rate which is a fraction of that south of the border.

Baldieheid · 23/11/2022 15:19

I feel really sad that this miserable creature has managed to swivel all press attention into him by the simple "I'm speshul" tactic. I don't care who he believes he is or what colour knickers he wears. I think his victims deserve better than media attention being paid to this scum and not them.

BellaAmorosa · 23/11/2022 15:23

EsmaCannonball · 23/11/2022 14:42

Another line being taken by TRA Twitter is that straight people identify as non-binary to foist themselves into the LGBTQ community. Now imagine the monstering JKR or Maya Forstater would get for saying the same thing.

And the funny thing about that is that it's true! Claiming to be queer. As they say, everything after the LBG is straight people.

Fancylike · 23/11/2022 15:25

bellinisurge · 23/11/2022 13:27

@RumNotRun saw speculation on CNN that it was possibly a tactic to downplay any attempt by the prosecution to argue it was a transphobic hate crime.

Gosh, I wonder if anyone who parrots TWAW will connect that theory to all the males who decide they are actually women when being held criminally accountable for rape and sexual assault.

BellaAmorosa · 23/11/2022 15:26

MissingLesbianSpaces · 23/11/2022 14:54

When people say he was part of the LGBTQ community, it disgusts me that lesbians are thrown into this group. We have NOTHING in common with violent males. Imagine if the straight women here were included in this murderer's identity? It just pisses me off -- this is why I support Get the L Out.

Telling, isn't it? Women used as human shields again. An attack on a gay bar is an LGBTQ tragedy, but the day of remembrance is T only.

bellinisurge · 23/11/2022 15:51

"How are they proposing the identification of non-binary is 'confirmed'? What are the criteria?"
By what it says in the court papers. Assuming that bullshit narcissistic identity is recognised in that state then him saying so would be enough.

VestofAbsurdity · 23/11/2022 15:52

ArabellaScott · 23/11/2022 14:23

Someone on Twitter:

'A court filing identified Anderson Aldrich as nonbinary.

Given the context of the case, particularly the current climate of disinformation, it is absolutely vital that media confirm this identification before reporting it as factual.'

How are they proposing the identification of non-binary is 'confirmed'? What are the criteria?

That's it, isn't it. A trap entirely of TRA's own making - if anyone is who they say they are and to disbelieve is literal genocide but then that person isn't who they say they are (1) who decides (2) what are the criteria for this decision?

Can't have it both ways.

LondonWolf · 23/11/2022 15:54

ACCEPTANCE WITHOUT EXCEPTION!

😒

HPFA · 23/11/2022 16:03

VestofAbsurdity · 23/11/2022 15:52

That's it, isn't it. A trap entirely of TRA's own making - if anyone is who they say they are and to disbelieve is literal genocide but then that person isn't who they say they are (1) who decides (2) what are the criteria for this decision?

Can't have it both ways.

Yes. This is a trap the TRAs cannot escape from.

  1. Either own this individual as trans but then face the backlash from all the people they tried to smear as "responsible" for this horrific crime.
  2. Claim the person is "faking it" and be forced to admit that sometimes the people they've been abusing for years have a valid point.
VestofAbsurdity · 23/11/2022 16:04

It goes without saying this individual and his actions are reprehensible whatever gender identity he is or isn't or is just claiming to be.

PronounssheRa · 23/11/2022 16:09

They have got themselves into a tangle haven't they.

It's a hugely tragic event, one that is repeated week after week in the US.

As for LOJ and his like who keep blaming women for men's violence, I have no words. Well I do but it would get me banned.

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