How can you be trans and non binary?

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I noticed today a post from Indya Moore on Instagram about being trans (I had no idea they were trans just follow as I thought they were v beautiful/ enjoy their pics)

Indya described hormone therapy as 'gender affirming for them ' - no mention of sex/ surgery.
But they describe themselves as trans & non binary.

I don't quite understand why you'd need to 'transition genders' if you don't have a gender ? Am I being thick?

From what I can gather, many people who call themselves non-binary seem to consider that as a different gender category rather than a lack of gender. And since they consider non-binary as a different gender category from male, this Indya has apparently transitioned from male to non-binary.

Surely hormones can only affect gender if you believe that gender is linked to the sexed body rather than an individual aspect of the soul that is nothing to do with biological sex?

Op I think non-binary is one of the hundreds of genders, that includes man and woman and many more, yet simultaneously isn't rooted in biological sex because man doesn't mean male and woman doesn't mean female.

You're not thick, but you are trying to make sense out of a wholly nonsensical ideology.
None of it makes sense.
None of it, don't waste you're time or brain power trying to understand how some people are trans because their innate gender (what is this? Nobody can tell us without resorting to sexist stereotypes) doesn't match their sex even tho they really are that sex and always have been, compared to some people who have no gender or can change gender by the day or be no gender at all while implying that to mean sex when we all have a sex and gender still means sexist stereotypes.
I read a good article about non binary women, it basically boils down to 'im not like those other girls'.
Maybe someone will share it..
But no I have no idea how you can be trans and non binary, trans relies on the binary because without it there would be no need to transition and there seems to be only the binary choice.
Non binary is basically a crock of shit and literally every human on earth is non binary in the sense that nobody conforms fully to masculine or feminine stereotypes.
My brain is fried even typing that out, I've no idea how these people live productive healthy lives in between all the navel gazing, sadly I doubt very many of them do.
Very tedious to be around I'm sure.

trans relies on the binary because without it there would be no need to transition and there seems to be only the binary choice.

Thank you @NoFlowersForEmily you explained what I was trying to get at in better words.

YOU GO AWAY FROM BEIN WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TO WHAT YOU ACTUALLY REALLY TRULY ARE WHEN YOU REALISE YOUR INNER SELF FEELS DEEP DOWN LIKE WHIT YOU ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WISNAE BUT ACTUALLY IS.

Jess Bradley, the first NUS Trans Officer and government advisor, whose term was cut short by accidentally photographing their penis with their desk at work and posting it on a Tumblr blog, along with many photographs sent in by young men, identified as a non binary transwoman.

So yes it is a thing.

Here is Jess's piece de resistance, in the Manchester SU's version of the Vaginal Monologues.

I saw a TikTok the other day by someone who described themselves as trigender - because they (I think they were a biological woman but don't like to presume) don't feel male, female or non binary but rather all three at once. I don't feel male, female or non binary either, I just am a woman/female because that's what I biologically am. In my opinion it isn't really something you feel, it's just something you are. To call yourself trigender seems to be nothing other than attention seeking.

Non-binary means upholding the Binary which relies on the very stereotypes I was fighting against 20 years ago in university, but which have returned in order to define people according to the cult of Gender Identity.

Non-binary is basically a third category, and is used as a way to ‘illustrate’ gender being a spectrum. I remember when the community used to call it genderq*eer, like 10-15 years ago. You don’t feel either man or woman, you’re…something else.

There’s a number of people who ID that way, who follow traditional paths of transition, to a certain point. They may take hormones or elect for surgery, or…nothing at all.

I wouldn’t try to understand it. This is coming from someone who believes a penis is biologically female www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/02/19/pose-indya-moore-trans-penises-biologically-female/

It's because they're putting everyone else into a gender stereotypes box (aka cis) but not them because they're too much of an individual.
It's all incredibly self-absorbed imo.
I can understand it in teenagers who're going through that phase but in adults it's just plain immature.

I love this thread. Was actually laughing - but it’s actually quite tragic society is indulging this madness.

I mean OP there are so many holes in gender ideology and this is exactly why they don’t want to debate it. It doesn’t stand up to logic and scrutiny.

Another one which will have you scratching your head - why do adult trans people want self id which makes it super easy for them to transition with no hormones or surgery. And that’s fine right. Whereas they are super quick to throw the pre pubescent teenagers onto puberty blockers and down the surgical route. Scratched my head over that one.

I think of non binary as being used by those who think 'I want to be special but I don't want to admit who I'm actually attracted to, or what sex I want people to think I am because that wouldn't be special enough'.

You can be a non binary (really a woman) who happens to wear a dress dating a non binary (really a man) who happens to wear trousers & both say you are special non binary people, even though you are the worlds most boringly obvious heterosexual couple.

You can be 2 non binary same sex people who think that somehow makes them more special than if they were normal lesbians or gay men.
and so on for every relationship permutation.

Basically, whatever you do as a non binary person is a copy of something that other people in other normally defined relationships already do/are.
You just use a different word which apparently makes it completely different.

@NoFlowersForEmily

wow what a lot of bigoted hatred you have inside.

the way you say all this speaks to issues you appear to what the world to see you have.

so reacting to the clues - please seek help and learn to foregive

good luck

You are trying to make sense of an ideology that is nonsense from start to finish.

Don't waste your time and energy. Direct it instead towards fighting for women's single sex spaces.

With a username like Justellingthetruth you should appreciate ^NoflowersforEmilys* honest description.

There is nothing bigoted about their post.

wow what a lot of bigoted hatred you have inside.

This is all they have left.

And in fact, this is part of the problem. When everything you don't agree with is transphobic, when everything so-called terfs say is bigoted hatred.... you have lost the power to call out real transphobia and real bigoted hatred.

So, basically, everyone who isn’t trans is non-binary.

It’s only trans people who are fixated on binary stereotypes.

I like long hair - I must be a girl.

I like football - I just be a boy.

No. You’re you. Whatever sex you are, you’re just you. You’re allowed to like, or dress, or be, however you want. You’re still you, in your male or female body. And you can like and / or be WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Everyone is non-binary when it comes to gender.

Everyone has a male or female body.

Bonkers. Absolute pile of tosh.

"Biologically female penis". Really?

You can't argue with stupid.

Wholeheartedly agree with this.

The better question is , how does any of it make sense ?
I get trans, non binary and gender fluid but the rest makes absolutely no sense at all. Don't get me started on the multitude of other sexualities. It's like a pick and mix.

Oh the irony of telling someone normal to seek help when it's the trans population that are demanding we provide "help" by validating this nonsense and funding unlimited medical "help".

I once knew a guy who made a big deal about being dual nationality and having a French mum. He was clearly (in his mind) so much better than us boring Brits (especially the Northern ones).

someone else said of him, slightly sadly “deep down he’s just really normal”.

that seems to sum all this up to me.

All those other sexualities are generally just attempts to put an 'identity' on most people's normal experiences.

To pick one at random:

Burst or Burstsexual/Burstromantic is an a-spec identity where one is normally completely asexual or aromantic but occasionally experiences sudden, short bursts of attraction. It could be considered an alternate word for arospike/acespike. It can be combined with other identities.

Yeah, that's most young people.

Announcing to the world that you are 'non-binary' immediately sets up a binary.