How can you be trans and non binary?

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I noticed today a post from Indya Moore on Instagram about being trans (I had no idea they were trans just follow as I thought they were v beautiful/ enjoy their pics)

Indya described hormone therapy as 'gender affirming for them ' - no mention of sex/ surgery.
But they describe themselves as trans & non binary.

I don't quite understand why you'd need to 'transition genders' if you don't have a gender ? Am I being thick?

But to cut through this; You are you. Being you doesn't require anything special, just be you.

I have an acquaintance. A biological woman. Dresses like a woman. Has a feminine hairstyle. Wears make up. Has birthed children. But keeps posting on SM about being non-binary and uses pronouns she/they. I genuinely do not understand how this works. Says she/they do not identify as woman but I don't really go through life 'identifying' myself either. Everybody else has been able to guess without any issues though.
She/they have posted on SM that she/they have had both female and male experiences. I have known her/them for good quarter of a century and at no time has/have she/they acted and looked anything but stereotypical female. She/they is/are also asexual lesbian. I honestly think she/they need/s a hobby.

There is no such thing as non binary, it's a made up pile of bullshit. HTH.

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To answer the OP, non-binary people are "trans" because - in the parlance - they don't "identify" with their "gender assigned at birth" (i.e. sex). It is a way to get the kudos of being "trans" without any particular commitment to any changes at all - which I think is good in one way, that people are avoiding the harms of surgery etc (at least in some cases).

• but the point is this person is identifying as/ transitioned to the opposite sex/ gender so surely they can't be nb. They're presenting as very much binary/ female.

It's just an aesthetic.

Like any other throughout history in human culture.

It appears to wield political power. Like some have in the past in human culture (generally linked to religion.)

Cos words. When black is white and white is black. And black is black, and white is white. Then everything is everything and also nothing. So you may as well translate as syfjnebdgaiofnfbevshuikencbdgshj shdudjvbfhdjsjsnc dhfhgignendgsgdujfngfb dnchfhidjd ndhfhfjdjdn hdhfhfjrnendhsjk dhfhfidjndhfh gibihndhsgyffjn dhfhdjfjfnfjdjcn. Dhfhdjsj!

I’m trying to work out what “male and female experiences” are. Apart from things that arise as a result of our biology eg menstruating blood or ejaculating semen, what experiences are either male or female?

I’m trying to work out what “male and female experiences” are. Apart from things that arise as a result of our biology eg menstruating blood or ejaculating semen, what experiences are either male or female?

Yes. You can only have a male or female experience by having a male or female body or body function. The only other way to have a "male" experience if you're female, is to be so breathtakingly, regressively sexist that you think something like doing a male dominated job or hobby, or enjoying something targeted at males, is a male experience rather than something anyone can do if they ignore stereotypes.

but the point is this person is identifying as/ transitioned to the opposite sex/ gender so surely they can't be nb. They're presenting as very much binary/ female.

I agree with you, but within the ideology, the point isn't that they've transitioned to the opposite sex (I know you can't actually do that anyway, but YKWIM), but just that they've "transitioned" out of their birth sex to the nebulous in-between category so questionable titled "non-binary".

Sex is binary, and even if you think DSD conditions make it non-binary, if you don't have one of those and are for example female, you can't just opt out of femaleness.

Or if they're talking about gender and not sex - gender meaning stereotypes and expectations associated with sex, and which combination of those an individual may choose for themselves - well that's not binary, it's ever changing and different for everyone. And loads of non-trans-IDing people including me are fully "non-binary" in terms of gender and have been for decades. So that makes no sense either.

Every single thing about trans ideology ends up boiling down to offensive, regressive, harmful sexist stereotypes. Often with a heap of misogyny - and sometimes, for good measure, homophobia - thrown in.

And the fact that people are expected to kowtow to this, and are labeled ‘hateful bigots’ or TERFS if they don’t, is mind-blowing.

Seeing as NB is fucking meaningless, you can attach that label to anything really.

I think this is the most meaningful reply. Because it’s meaningless. Spot on.

I do this. Not to be special. I'm dull. I believe everyone is NB except for a small number of people who have internalised some very old fashioned views. Also I'd be horrified if people thought I was that regressive in my thinking. Is hers a similar type of resistance?

Yes. Everyone is non-binary (except for trans people) when it comes to gender. So why do you need to identify as it?

As I understand it, some people believe that NB falls under the trans umbrella. Some people however think it is an entirely different category to trans.

So I think it depends on how the person in question feels.

Please can a non binary person explain how babies are made? ( Without mentioning genitals, because of course it's only us gc types who are genital fetishists)

WHEN A BIRTHING PERSON MEETS A TESTICULAR HAVER AND THE?Y LIKE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH THEY MAY DECIDE TO HAVE EGS AND SPERM BROUGHT TOGETHER EITHER IN THE BIRTHING PERSON THEYSELF OR USING A SUITABLY RECEPTACLED WOMB_CARRIER.

^underscore in woman_carrier not a typo 🤣

Aren't testicles genitalia?

SORRY I MADE A HATE CRIME ON ACCIDENT OF COURSE THE BIRTHING PERSON AND TESTICULAR HAVER DONT NEED TO LIKE EACH OTHER AND THE PERSON WHOS INNER FEELS ARE LIKE GI JOE-ISH NEED NOT HAVE TESTICULTAS BASICALLY ANY PEOPLE WHO WANT BABIES NEED TO JUST RUB UP AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE AND HOPE FIR THE BEST

I think testicles is too fetishy. I prefer the rubbing together and see what happens. Must be very exciting waiting to find out if a baby pops out of one of you - obviously impossible to tell which of you it could grow in - or both or neither.

The post by no flowers wasn't even slightly bigoted or hateful. Not sure what you are reading but it sure isnt the same post I just read. Accusing someone so lightly of "bigoted hatred" on the other hand seems pretty hateful to me. Dial it down.

Could one think of non-binary as someone who just doesn't want their sex mentioned?

Scrap the woo, is that an idea that might work? It's less offensive than asking us to lie. I'm not sure it's always possible, but sometimes it might be, and it's understandable as a response to sexism, if mistaken I would say.

Not quite clear which part it will pop out of either!

I believe everyone is NB except for a small number of people who have internalised some very old fashioned views.

Ah but the person I was talking about definitely does not think that. She/they think/s everyone else is binary and she/they are very special.