Stephen Fry

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“But it isn’t possible if each side looks on the other as an enemy and the trans people just shout ‘terf’ (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) and the feminists seem to, as it were, undermine the dignity and rights of the trans community, if I can use the word community – it is a bit of a greasy word, but there you go.”

^www.aol.co.uk/stephen-fry-urges-calm-debate-180132887.html^

Stephen Fry urges clam then compares what one side is doing with what the other side seems to be doing

I'm so grumpy that my autocucumber has done a number on that comment without me even noticing. " ... get some decent... " and " ... if he lived in..."

I do love how batshit Helen Islan is. She's a one woman peaking machine.

The GRA was the compromise. It's been abused to the point that the goodwill is now gone. Used up. Finished. The answer cannot be that women bear all the responsibility to compromise and give a bit more; they cannot bring more than 50% of a relationship to the table, and the relationship with the TQ+ political lobby is reaching the clean break point with SH Lawyers.

Mind you, having just read that second quote of Fry's... the poor chap doesn't sound terribly well.

because women don't seem to enjoy that kind of anonymous sex

Because it's much more dangerous for women, perhaps? The 'zipless' fuck movement happened in the 1970s suggests it's not all that rare.

Stephen Fry is a very educated man in the public eye. He knows exactly what he thinks and I 100% guarantee his private, educated opinions are TERFY as all hell but I have no doubt his trans friends feel invalidated and he explained the issue without taking a side.

There's truth here but a lot unsaid. A lot that will never be said as Stephen Fry relies on public approval.

I want to hear Stephen’s musings on women as The BBC series. With his air of authority and accent perhaps he could team up with Philomena Cunk?

I like
he also speaks with frankness about his experiences in the "extraordinary underworld" of cottaging in his youth, cautioning, however, that while he was "slightly obsessed" with the clandestine practice as a teenager it was more for the graffiti and sense of solidarity.

This is like saying you buy Playboy for the articles about cars.

I really can't give a flying fuck what yet another white old gay man thinks. WTF does he know about women?

Fry has been pissing me off for decades... I didn't realise the straight women and sex debacle was in 2010.... I am a LONG MEMORIED WOMAN

While I'm at it Emma Thompson signed a letter about 4 years ago telling Scottish women that they should be more 'kind'.

more for the graffiti and sense of solidarity.

The GRA was the compromise.

Yes - and even that is something that was arrived at with proper (any?) consultation with women.

She did? How very fucking patronising, Emma.

Ikr? It seems a dog can't fart in England without Stephen Fry being wheeled out to pronounce upon the matter. He was funny in Blackadder. This , apparently , makes him a great philosopher and sociologist.

On the other hand , maybe he has sniffed the wind and is 'rolling the pitch ' for a bit of repositioning?

www.pride.com/celebrities/2019/3/04/emma-thompson-shows-support-trans-women-open-letter

On the otherhand she did fly to make an Extinction Rebellion speech.....

I lost any respect for Stephen Fry when he signed a letter from the Peter Tatchell foundation advocating for mandatory sex lessons for children from the age of five. And if parents wanted to opt out, they should be forced to jump through hoops to reduce the likelihood that they would do so.

"Parents who want to withdraw their children should be required to come to each lesson and physically remove their child and then bring them back in good time for the next lesson. This way the parental opt out option is retained but the actual opt out rate is likely to be reduced."

www.petertatchellfoundation.org/stephen-fry-backs-our-call-to-revise-sex-education/

One obviously has to read it through the lens of tachels previous remarks about how nine year olds can enjoy sex with adults.

He may have taken the arguable position that in general, men seem to have higher sex drives and run with it there - to the foothills of extreme, past the extreme, onwards to the Cliffs of No Hope, cleverly avoided the possible Valley of Context and escaped the Forest of Variables, and continued on right off the edge of batshit into the wide blue yonder.

😂😂😂

I don't think it's just that. Unless you mean it in evolutionary terms.

If it was just about danger or fear of pregnancy, you might expect something like a lesbian cruising scene, which you don't really see.

I don't think it's advantageous, in terms of surviving to pass on your DNA, for women to be sexually promiscuous. In fact it's likely to be a disadvantage, you are likely to be killed, left without a provider for your child, or to pass on a sexual disease to your offspring which means they won't survive.

So we haven't evolved to have the same kind of physiological payoff for casual sex.

Sorry - should have added - the zipless fuck is, I think, kind of rare, it was always limited and was largely a social fad. And also difficult to say how many women really found it sexually satisfying.

Genuinely surprised to see Fry trending on Twitter and being soundly denounced as a T*.

Not sure it is that surprising...Anyone who doesn't 100% toe the line will find themselves in this position eg Starmer and his bonkers ideas about what Cass says

Just when the patronising misogynistic irritation that is Stephen Fry begins to fade, he goes & opines on some topic beyond his reach yet again.

Stephen Luvvie Dearheart, wind it in.
Your glory days of boundless talent are long gone, we all know too much of what you think & now you are a fully entrenched member of the establishment elite.

Many years ago, I had the misfortune to hear him speak at a couple of private events without censure, he’s a misogynist to his faux tweedy core, a self-pitying, self-serving, amoral pontificating elitist prick. By his own words spoken in front of me, he turned my stomach & I’ve left him on the side of the plate since.

IMHO of course.

Well he's managed to piss everyone off which is pretty hilarious really.

But the TRAs really are revealing that there is no compromise as far as they are concerned. They are entitled to women's rights and spaces and fuck the impact that has on the women who need them.

No surprise after declaring himself to be a friend of Joanne.

Well, his contribution didn't amount to much but I quite like his phrase 'repudiate with all their strength the Judith Butler'. I assume he got that far into the sentence when even his normal erudition was defeated by wtf JB writes, hence the vague 'the idea of created gender and so on', but I'll happily "repudiate the Judith Butler."

Maybe there's some kind of forcefield around the name, so if anyone constructs a sentence that includes 'Judith Butler' the gravy sidesteps into multidimensional fragments of questioning brain-drying wow.