Nightmare proposed trans policy at work

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Work are consulting on a new trans and non-binary support policy. Policy states that trans people have the right to use whichever toilets and changing rooms they like and that anyone objecting should be educated and offered to use different facilities if they still object. When I queried it I was told that the Landrover case confirmed this as law.

Pointed out that this discriminated against women of some religions, victims of VAWG etc but they’re holding firm.

Can anyone give me info/links to refute this?

They also want a category of special leave without limits for trans people.

We are a National non-unionised company.

“dear line manager

in light of recent policy change, I’m now delighted to reveal I’m trans.

you probably already knew this because I’ve worn trousers, can drive a “stick” and my specialist subject is databases.

I didn’t mention it before due to persecution and micro-aggressions.

see you august!”

😁
Or why turn up at all, ever? Just say at interview "Yes well as I'm trans, it doesn't matter if I can do the job or not as I won't be coming in. You can't not hire me as that's transphobic. Here's my bank account details, bye."

The leave thing makes me so angry. I developed a disability 6 months ago. I had to take sick leave as it made me unwell, and I had many appointments to go to while dealing with the emotional impact of having this for life. Cue me being put on statutory sick pay and being ‘gently’ reminded in every meeting with the manager of how many days of sick I’d taken. Some sympathy, but no real understanding of how the ordeal affected everything in my life, including my performance at work. But hey, let’s give special treatment to one specific group of people thanks to political bias and stuff the rest.

What's the leave policy?

I'd be putting on trousers and drawing a moustache if it meant I could have all school holidays and then some off fully paid.

@Hooverphobe
" “dear line manager
in light of recent policy change, I’m now delighted to reveal I’m trans.
you probably already knew this because I’ve worn trousers, can drive a “stick” and my specialist subject is databases.
I didn’t mention it before due to persecution and micro-aggressions.
see you august!”

Well that's just silly!

That should be October at the very earliest, surely?! More chance of decent weather in August and September, why work then when you can be sat in the garden/at the seaside in the sun?

I was thinking I’d want a root around the stationery cupboard in time for school holidays. Once I’d filled my boots my trans status would require me once again to go on extended leave.

Have the mens got urinals? Can all the women go in there and see how the men find that?

Except from actual Gender Identity and Expression Guidelines, released to much fanfare at a large company in the UK 2 years ago:

Oops double picture.

This is the shit that stonewall have been peddling for years now. This excerpt is from the managers notes on how to help your transgender employee. Nice eh.

I note the assumption that the transgender employee will be a transwoman seeking to use the female facilities, rather than a transman stripping naked in the gents changing rooms.

Can you post it again with all the text showing?

I'd be ID-ing as trans in a heartbeat over this. Blue hair and no other changes (to be fair the blue hair is options).

I'm resigned to the probability at some point I'll have to identify as trans to avoid accepting the "womany mind" identity.

Trans what I'm not sure of. Possibly I'll need to coin another neo-gender. However I'm 100% certain that I can't honestly claim to be a woman in an org that understands that to mean "womany minded person of either sex".

This is not piss taking. I genuinely can't accept that identity. I'm very close to resigning from a woman's network exactly because it's open to "anyone who identifies as a woman" and if I'm honest I don't, or rather the meaning of "women" I identify as is not the meaning of "woman" they use so I feel dishonest claiming I do.

This is the thing that the gender ideologists ignore. They redefine womanhood to accomodate male bodied people, but there's also an unspoken assumption that us old school female women will just keep womanning the same as ever, keeping the female estate that trans women so desire intact for them to appropriate.

But it doesn't work like that. The very change they need to make to get themselves also changes womanhood for us as well, and many of us may no longer feel we qualify.

This will be an interesting development because I am one of the most senior "women" in my department and get asked to figurehead a lot of things (I'm not very senior but my dept has a woman problem).

If I do find I have no option other than taking that route, I'm looking forward to establishing the ABFAB (agender but female at birth) network to celebrate ABFAB people's achievements, highlight the history of ABFAB oppression by the MAB and the unconscious bias we still face, and lobby for ABFAB-only spaces and support.

This is the thing that the gender ideologists ignore. They redefine womanhood to accomodate male bodied people, but there's also an unspoken assumption that us old school female women will just keep womanning the same as ever, keeping the female estate that trans women so desire intact for them to appropriate.

But it doesn't work like that. The very change they need to make to get themselves also changes womanhood for us as well, and many of us may no longer feel we qualify.

Very much that. Whatever this group has become, like LGBT+, it no longer is a group I belong to or speaks for me, or one I feel any qualifying factors for or connection with. I wonder what all of us disenfranchised people will identify as?

I’ve been Googling about all the new genders and really like this one:

Busygender: for when you’re being too busy to have a gender

too bloody right, too old and too busy for half this shit!

This is so well put. I, btw, no longer consider myself a woman because people think it is an identity statement and I do not identify as a woman. I'm only one if that's what we call people who have my body parts. If Eddie is a woman, then clearly it's not about having my body parts and there is no reason left to say I am a woman. This will make TW sad because it exposes them to the reality of the fact that they are not like me. They need me to identify as a woman so they can say they are like me. I feel for them but it is not my job to protect them from whatever issues they have.

If you tap one of them it should open up as the full width image. 👍

Show your boss a vid of attempts by women to talk at a womans event in New York, as per the appropriate thread, and ask them why they think women should be subjected to that treatment!

What a great post @FlirtsWithRhinos - ABFAB? Superb.

I'm not quite ready to give up the biological definition of woman just yet, but I don't half fancy being an ABFAB!

They also want a category of special leave without limits for trans people.

What , leave as in holiday?

There's a thread somewhere that demonstrates that at least one Council - Bristol City Council - says that you are agender (and trans) if you "are genderless or who reject gender identification completely."

I do feel the same as you. If people are insistent on changing the meaning of words (but not defining them) then there is only so long until you can't make yourself understood without adopting that terminology. I don't think it will come to that any time soon - most people will simply be unable to understand that 'woman' does not, and never has, meant 'female', and for the first time in a long time I feel optimistic that the tide is turning.

AFABTW or trans trans woman

Liking the ABFAB

You can also demand some Lacroix, darling!

So, I really tried. Sent them links to EHRC and sex-matters - was told the latter was anti-trans and so not impartial, unlike Stonewall (who they have membership with and sought guidance from).

Mentioned specific cases, guided them away from Landrover and towards Maya etc.

covered all the points, basically.

They’ve doubled down. Added lines about Equality Act entitlements to use single sex facilities if you’re trans/non-binary. And put it out for wider consultation.

They’ve answered my safeguarding concerns by pointing to the policy that lets trans children sleep in accommodation with whichever
sex they like.

The person writing it has a trans child (FTM) and the EDI lead “isn’t well versed” in this. They’ve run it past our corporate lawyers (who aren’t employment law experts) who think it’s all fine and dandy, apparently.

I don’t know whether to watch and wait for something to happen or to leave. :(