Nightmare proposed trans policy at work

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Work are consulting on a new trans and non-binary support policy. Policy states that trans people have the right to use whichever toilets and changing rooms they like and that anyone objecting should be educated and offered to use different facilities if they still object. When I queried it I was told that the Landrover case confirmed this as law.

Pointed out that this discriminated against women of some religions, victims of VAWG etc but they’re holding firm.

Can anyone give me info/links to refute this?

They also want a category of special leave without limits for trans people.

We are a National non-unionised company.

The obvious, easy answer is to provide gender neutral spaces, respecting TQ+ wishes to not use a sex based space, AND retain some sex specific spaces for those not comfortable or able to use a mixed sex space. This meets all needs equally.

This. However it’s interesting how this has been interpreted in a workplace like mine, where there are only two loos. One is labelled ‘Men’ and the other ‘Women & Gender Neutral’. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so piss-boilingly misguided, and is a golden example of how organisations falling over themselves to be kind and inclusive totally misunderstand their obligation to fairly accommodate the needs of everyone, not just the trans community..

Honestly I would adopt a trans identity and go on special leave for good.

It wouldn't be hard for the type of employer that would avoid hiring a female of asaumed childbearing age to also avoid hiring anyone they suspect of being gender non-conforming, in case they run up huge absences?

It could really be an own goal. Obviously employers must not discriminate but we've all seen that they do. They could be in murky waters if they introduce this then don't employ any trans people?

“Offered to use different facilities” sounds like a bit if an own goal.
Employee “ I am requesting access to a female only toilet and changing room as is my right in law”
Employer “As you know we allow TW to use the Ladies so if you object you’ll have to use this wholly self contained single person toilet and changing room”
Cue all other women on staff making the same request. TW ends up with the sole use of the Ladies.

What a great result. Would mean that the idiots making these policy decisions would wake up and take notice that women who have had access to women only loos for decades actually, er, still want them.

I wish I could remember where it was where something like this happened. TW was allowed to use the ladies WC and the female staff were told to be kind - so they were. However the female staff started going elsewhere and the TW complained about it. It was obvious that they wanted a female space with females in it.

I would suspect a few more ppl would be "coming out"
Do they propose the same deal for those suffering cancer/chronic illnesses?

Unlimited special leave? I may be discovering my masculine side to take advantage of that. Under self ID there is no need to do anything to appear male? I just need to utter the magic words?

I'd be asking about the alternative facilities. How will they ensure that they remain male free?

What'll end up happening is that the disabled accessible loos will be the default thereby disadvantaging disabled people who are the group whose physical needs should trump them all.

Considering how much trouble employers go to in order to avoid the risk of long maternity leaves when recruiting, this is going to have some unwanted side effects for TQ+ identified potential employees looking for jobs if it is a blanket policy for the characteristic.

I wish I could remember where it was where something like this happened. TW was allowed to use the ladies WC and the female staff were told to be kind - so they were. However the female staff started going elsewhere and the TW complained about it. It was obvious that they wanted a female space with females in it.

I think that was a reddit thread.

Can't wait until 100% of staff suddenly realise they're trans and apply for special leave. Wasn't that LR case more about bullying than what facilities they were able to use?

Maybe, but in that case it must have been mentioned on here because I don't use Reddit.

Well, under building regs they have to offer single sex toilets so they’re in breach of that , and it’s health and safety.

Makes me wish I was still in salaried employment so I could try to pull this one at work

<happens on trans identity>
<puts feet up until retirement>

It has been mentioned on here a few times iwantmyownicecreamvan, there probably is a thread about it.

HOWEVER, in some workplaces, the women moving to another toilet would be considered a transphobic microagression.

There was that organisation up in Scotland that had a policy or guidance about that. Was it a university? Females making micro-aggressions when males used their toilets were transphobic???

😂

Oh my word! When will this madness stop?

Indeed, icecreamvan.

The microagression thing was another breaking moment for many.

Controlling the reactions of anyone in that situation is coercive control and it really shows it.

A bit like the current guidance about the females who complain in hospitals and how they should be gaslighted with lies so the male doesn't feel 'othered' by being put in a single room.

It is the over reach that shows the true nature.

Im curious, what are these different facilities if someone objects? If it was a small business, they wouldn't have space for so many toilets?

OP I am going through this at work at the moment. I’ve sent an email to HR asking if they have done an Equality Impact Assessment. Then ask if they had considered the impact of women especially minority religious women. I also sent them resources from the Sex Matters website.

They are going to review and come back to me.

In my workplace the separate toilet cubicle with it's own wash facilities is for access to all. i.e mobility impaired, all gender. The other facilities are segregated as male or female.
It seems to work fine, a private space for all.
Since workplaces must offer mobility impaired facilities I'm sure your workplace could adopt this route without significant disruption and with everyone's needs in mind.

@saleorbouy Your proposal could work in a smaller office. However, I've seen plenty of threads on here about disabled toilets and who should and should not use them to know that this could be controversial if many people were to use it.

I wonder if they want proof from dr? But then many trans people would say that discrimination...?