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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Update - Canadian teacher with giant fake breasts

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ZeldaFighter · 11/11/2022 23:18

Any kind of dress code would be subject to discrimination claims. So teachers can wear what they like at this school. How are there not safeguarding issues here?

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TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 12/11/2022 09:11

Someone can be both a troll and a fetishist, and both behaviours can reinforce each other.

sure, but when fetishism is a sufficient explanation for the observed behaviour, why assume trolling? What does it even mean to say they’re trolling? The impact of their behaviour is no different either way. It appears to be a claim about their mental state, but why does that even matter?

And I don’t understand what the claim about their mental state even is; that they know they are frauds? It seems a lot of AGP men oscillate between knowing they are frauds and fully believing their own delusions.

GroggyLegs · 12/11/2022 09:12

Hyperion100 · 12/11/2022 08:17

Wasnt it the case this guy is trolling everyone?

He was accused of toxic masculinity in his classes and not embracing woke culture by talking about how stupid gender neutral toilets were.

He was called in and almost sacked unless he changed his ways.

Thats when he tuned up to school dressed like this to show how ridiculous the woke culture has become.

The school now defends his right to dress like this...thus proving his point.

If true...hilarious!!

I heard this too and I think it rings true.

But I'm sorry for the kids trapped in his game either way. They're being exposed to inappropriate behaviour and their school being made a media circus. His class is not going to be a healthy learning environment.

But he is exposing a ridiculous outcome of creating a sacred caste.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 12/11/2022 09:16

And I don’t understand what the claim about their mental state even is

correcting myself here. I think most people who make the claim he’s trolling are saying he’s not a fetishist but doing it for other reasons. Which is a very improbable thing to believe, and seems to be born out of an impulse to make excuse for sexual predators.

Wanderingowl · 12/11/2022 09:20

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This has been deleted by MNHQ as it's the work of a PBP.

They didn't. Numerous pharma companies are down because the market for one of their most profitable drugs fell by 5%.
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mrshoho · 12/11/2022 09:49

What? The world has truly taken leave of all sense. Actually let all these instances be broadcast to show how utterly utterly ridiculous the current situation is. Who cares about th3 insignificance of Safeguarding kids anymore?

nauticant · 12/11/2022 10:29

What does it even mean to say they’re trolling? The impact of their behaviour is no different either way. It appears to be a claim about their mental state, but why does that even matter?

It's about escalating behaviour of someone when they've been told they are untouchable. A kind of "look how far I can push this and there is nothing you can do to stop me". Then putting that into a feedback loop with a fetish.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 12/11/2022 10:38

It's about escalating behaviour of someone when they've been told they are untouchable.

This definitely happens and it seems to be happening here, but I don’t think it’s what most people are getting at when they say this guy is a troll. There’s even a made up backstory about it being a dispute with HR or whatever!

It appears to be an attempt to convert the image of a disgusting hentai-obsessed coomer being completely consumed by his fetish, into the literally incredible story of an iconoclast anti-hero fighting “wokeness.” Or in other words, it’s an attempt to blame male behaviour on women once again. (The fictional HR are coded female.)

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 12:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=03-xJSn79FM

The school board and trustees discuss why there is nothing they can do about a man parading his fetish in front of children.

Ironically, the fact that the school are 'in loco parentis' is mentioned.

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 12/11/2022 12:31

Well, I for one am excited about this new, progesessive, gender-neutral dress code! I'm working on a "Ontario Women Teachers - Professional Wardrobe" Pinterest inspo board right now!

TheGreatATuin · 12/11/2022 12:33

JacquelinePot · 12/11/2022 08:38

People keep saying that Dylan Mulvaney is a troll, too. I don't think so. Why do people think this is trolling when this is precisely what the entire movement is set up to achieve?

I think it doesn't really matter if they're trolling or not. Both Mulvaney and FakeBoobs have proven that not only is extreme sexism happening and permitted, but it's even legally protected as long as its trans women doing it.
Hell, in Mulvaney's case, it will even get you invited to the White House.

GroggyLegs · 12/11/2022 12:43

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 12/11/2022 10:38

It's about escalating behaviour of someone when they've been told they are untouchable.

This definitely happens and it seems to be happening here, but I don’t think it’s what most people are getting at when they say this guy is a troll. There’s even a made up backstory about it being a dispute with HR or whatever!

It appears to be an attempt to convert the image of a disgusting hentai-obsessed coomer being completely consumed by his fetish, into the literally incredible story of an iconoclast anti-hero fighting “wokeness.” Or in other words, it’s an attempt to blame male behaviour on women once again. (The fictional HR are coded female.)

I think it's really hard for anyone remotely normal to get their head around the fact that someone could do something do patently outlandish & unreasonable in earnest.

It's too outrageous.

Humans will try to make sense of such insanity - and 'angry right wing activist' is a believable explanation (see my earlier comment). Particularly if they lean towards a be kind/they just want to pee disposition as many Canadians have been coerced to do, because to see him as genuine threatens this view.

I don't think its incredible that he may be making a point (was the HR story debunked? I don't know), I think it's more incredible to the average person that he is fully absorbed in his large titted lady parody.

BUT either is a possibility and that blows my tiny mind that grown adults in positions of trust are arguing that whatever the reason it's in any way okay. What a time to be alive...

Thelnebriati · 12/11/2022 13:20

Its not trolling if it undermines safeguarding. Its crossed a threshold and become something else.
Or - and you are welcome to join me in my blanket fort with a tin foil hat - it was always something else disguised as trolling, in order to dismantle safeguarding.

KatMcBundleFace · 12/11/2022 14:08

It's so amazingly nuts that this is allowed.

nilsmousehammer · 12/11/2022 14:25

We'll wait for the guy to turn up in the nappy with a dummy.

These idiot boards need to realise that there are always going to be some who will push until they find a boundary, and that due to your responsibility to the general public and in this case children, you are sooner or later going to have to find your backbone and say the word 'no'. Otherwise the boundary comes down at 'utter fucking disaster you will be legally culpable for'.

But I'll wait. Sadly the boundaries will come, but they'll come with victims whose lives will be wrecked. Because of utter bloody cowardice.

1984onstilts · 12/11/2022 15:05

If this sort of thing happened in a UK school parents would move their kids, and that has a big impact on the school budget and in an extreme situation could result in the school closing. Let's hope it's the same in Canada.

I wonder how far they'd let someone go? Coming into school in BDSM gear? According to Keeping Children Safe in Education exposing kids to inappropriate sexualised images is child abuse. Personally I think what's already happening here veers pretty close to that. The leadership of this school seems to not give a fuck at all about the best interests and wellbeing of the children in the school. I hope the parents act.

Delphinium20 · 12/11/2022 18:00

Rightsraptor · 12/11/2022 06:19

Is being sent home the same as being disciplined, @Delphinium20 ? I don't know. But she is wearing jeans, which I think are unsuitable for teaching in, plus she's in the US not Canada, so different jurisdiction.

You can't see the difference? Clearly schools can have a dress code that bans jeans but that's not the point...what is considered normal attire seems quite unfair. And Canada has very similar cultural norms as the US, so the comparison is apt.

nauticant · 12/11/2022 18:54

I thought I'd wear my patience to its utter limit and watch the school board meeting:

The HR Superintendent presented a highly skewed version of what the legal implications would be of applying any standards, which would have an impact on the teacher in question. There was no balancing of rights against the needs of children being educated in a safe environment, no discussion of safeguarding. His version was on the basis that there was one set of needs of an individual that have to be centred to the exclusion of all else. I think what he was up to was to destroy any legal defences the school or the school board might have, in case anyone decided to apply common sense and tell the teacher in question that they need to stop parading their fetish in front of children. If this was done, the teacher would take this video to a lawyer who would rub their hands in glee at being provided with a gift of such enormous legal leverage.

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 19:51

The Superintendent also contradicted himself several times.

He said it wouldn't and couldn't be a disciplinary issue to have a dress code, but that one absolutely could tell a staff member they were not allowed to wear a shirt because it had a racist slogan.

He seemed to suggest that they absolutely could not stop Lemieux from wearing giant prosthetic breasts under dress code laws, but they could tell Lemieux that Lemieux was not allowed to wear them. Somehow.

Honestly, I felt so queasy watching that. What's the word for when people spend huge amounts of time justifying the unspeakable? Fiddling around with fucking byelaws and regulatory waffle when everyone can see a grown adult male wearing fetish gear TO TEACH CHILDREN FFS.

MangyInseam · 12/11/2022 20:31

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 12/11/2022 09:16

And I don’t understand what the claim about their mental state even is

correcting myself here. I think most people who make the claim he’s trolling are saying he’s not a fetishist but doing it for other reasons. Which is a very improbable thing to believe, and seems to be born out of an impulse to make excuse for sexual predators.

Why do you think that?

It sounds just as plausible to me. As far as I understood the information came from a student or parent at the school. Which may not be true but if it is, sheds an interesting light on it all.

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