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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ICMP - on-campus signage

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ZombieMumEB · 11/11/2022 05:32

Was anyone following this on twitter?
twitter.com/ICMPLondon/status/1590690342655135746?s=20&t=g9kMs1puUHBbnZML4x-ZWg

This the on-campus signage that was displayed at the Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP).

ICMP - on-campus signage
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ZombieMumEB · 11/11/2022 05:32

This is their response to it being shared on social media

www.icmp.ac.uk/statement-10th-nov-2022
Home » Statement - 10th Nov 2022

Earlier today on-campus signage at the Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP) was shared on social media.

Our intention, following discussions with our student community, had been to communicate the definition of TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) to help clarify what we considered to be growing misconceptions around what the term means.

We got it wrong.

The signage is clunky and we can see how it can be misinterpreted as an ICMP view and/or policy.

The signage has now been removed and we apologise profusely for any offence caused.

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Jonaskahnwaldplease · 11/11/2022 05:44

to help clarify what we considered to be growing misconceptions around what the term means.

So they thought they would just double down on those misconceptions by implying that biological women hate trans people? What?

Also, trans men are more than welcome in women's spaces, what with them being women and all 😒

Jonaskahnwaldplease · 11/11/2022 05:45

I would love to know how many complaints they got 🤣

Betahydroxybutyrate · 11/11/2022 07:06

We’d like to make it clear that our zero-tolerance policy refers to our approach to discrimination of any kind,” unless that discrimination is against gender critical people. Here is a QR code to help you on your witch hunt.

Imagine that sign was any other protected belief like say, Judaism or Islam …

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 07:31

That is very fucked up.

I wonder if the group responsible understands the issue at all. And whether they also understand the hypocrisy of their ‘anti-discrimination’ sign.

Datun · 11/11/2022 07:33

Every day I'm more grateful that Maya Forstater got gc belief protected.

What a game changer that was.

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 07:35

I know datun. Maya and Keira and Allison have left lasting legacies with their bravery.

AlisonDonut · 11/11/2022 07:37

They have not yet clarified if any names are being held after being reported.

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 07:38

What the CEO neglected to do was to clear up that misconception.

I wonder what the group who put the sign up now think it means? Because I doubt they have ‘learned’ anything. They will have a burning resentment that they didn’t get their way though.

Thumpsquids · 11/11/2022 07:42

Clunky? Clunky?! Something of an understatement, I'd say!

miri1985 · 11/11/2022 07:48

"As such, we have a confidential reporting process in place that gives students and staff a direct line of contact with senior trained ICMP staff if they feel they are in any way being victimised, discriminated against, or being made to feel otherwise uncomfortable."

So if someone felt victimised, discriminated or uncomfortable for having gender critical beliefs they could make a confidential report against everyone who helped create that sign.

Magenta82 · 11/11/2022 07:52

That was not an apology or an explanation, the sign was discriminatory and they need to address this.

readytoretire · 11/11/2022 07:53

There response is one of the best examples of gaslighting I've ever seen. They must think people are absolutely stupid.

readytoretire · 11/11/2022 07:53

and I can't spell their!

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 07:56

Moley fixed it. Gotta love Mikey’s work!! He is fearless.

twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1590712832714502144?s=46&t=95DusNwuzzLRDzx7AVybWw

sashagabadon · 11/11/2022 07:57

Basically the CEO is saying the students made us do it, throwing them under the bus!

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 08:05

bloody autocarrot.

Moley. Keeps changing to Mikey!!!! Or Miley.

Sorry Moley!

Boomboom22 · 11/11/2022 08:05

But how can they get it so wrong?
1 transmen are obviously welcome in womens toilets etc
2 the times says gc think biological gender cannot change, er no they don't believe in gender stereotypes. Literally the opposite of that!
3 it is not a complex issue, single sex spaces are clear in the EA

Handsoffmyrights · 11/11/2022 08:07

Clunky? How about terrifying as a GC woman.

"We didn't mean to burn them, Edward."

Helleofabore · 11/11/2022 08:09

Boomboom22 · 11/11/2022 08:05

But how can they get it so wrong?
1 transmen are obviously welcome in womens toilets etc
2 the times says gc think biological gender cannot change, er no they don't believe in gender stereotypes. Literally the opposite of that!
3 it is not a complex issue, single sex spaces are clear in the EA

Because the group who put it up live in an echo chamber. They are as righteous and intolerant as the studies tell us.

And the person writing or editing the article also doesn’t quite understand the nuance.

I wonder what Prick news will put out. If anything. It will be similarly incorrect and distorted by siloed thinking where sound travels out but not in.

Awayyego · 11/11/2022 08:15

The chief executive of the college must be way cleverer than I am. I can’t see how that sign could possibly be misinterpreted. The message is absolutely clear.

picklemewalnuts · 11/11/2022 08:22

It's like the classic rumours spread to demonise other groups.

mateysmum · 11/11/2022 08:32

That apology is the absolute definition of "sorry not sorry". Clunky! No mate, it was erroneous, illegal, discriminatory and frankly scary.

HTH

RoyalCorgi · 11/11/2022 08:39

It's a ridiculous apology. Clearly the aim of the sign was not to clarify misconceptions about what TERF means (though in fact the definition they give is accurate, which is unusual). The aim of the sign was to encourage people to dob gender-critical feminists in for wrongthink. I don't know why they're pretending otherwise, given that we can all read what the sign says.