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Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats PART 2

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 06/11/2022 20:06

I hope @ArabellaScott does not mind me continuing her thread.

First thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4663595-standing-for-women-portland-rally-cancelled-over-violent-threats?page=40&reply=121323014

So what appears to have been debunked is:

KJK being privately educated in Hong Kong. Not that it should matter if she was;

That she arranged the security in Texas because she consorts with fascists;

That the selfie picture with the random hairy bloke was proof that she hangs out with fascists.

It has yet to be proven that Goody Keen can turn the milk sour, or that she will survive if forcibly immersed in the river.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 06/11/2022 23:35

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VestofAbsurdity · 06/11/2022 23:50

Amazing the time, energy and headspace some posters give to all things KJK despite her apparent failure at everything she is doing, most strange.

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/11/2022 00:07

livvyposts · 06/11/2022 20:41

Yeah, that's why she was on the Tucker Carlson show.

Haha. Tucker Carlson is watched by maybe 1% of Americams and half of them are Democrats watching to take the piss out of him on social media. To most of the rest, even within the Republican Party, he's a crank, and an unpleasant one at that. So yeah, if Kellie Jay wants to alienate the vast majority in favour of a bunch of extreme right wingers who already hate trans people anyway then she's doing the right thing.

I guess this is why the head girls as you call them are so angry. Courting the far right may give you a personal buzz as they share your stuff and pile on people on your behalf. It may even give you enough of a platform to have a small career. But you do it at the expense of losing your credibility with everybody else. Being fawned over by Tucker Carlson makes you toxic to the vast amount of Americans.

I guess this is why the head girls as you call them are so angry. Courting the far right may give you a personal buzz as they share your stuff and pile on people on your behalf. It may even give you enough of a platform to have a small career. But you do it at the expense of losing your credibility with everybody else. Being fawned over by Tucker Carlson makes you toxic to the vast amount of Americans.
You appear to be addressing this to KJK.
Why are you doing this when you know she can't post on MN?

Datun · 07/11/2022 00:20

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/11/2022 00:07

I guess this is why the head girls as you call them are so angry. Courting the far right may give you a personal buzz as they share your stuff and pile on people on your behalf. It may even give you enough of a platform to have a small career. But you do it at the expense of losing your credibility with everybody else. Being fawned over by Tucker Carlson makes you toxic to the vast amount of Americans.
You appear to be addressing this to KJK.
Why are you doing this when you know she can't post on MN?

I think Livvy has these conversations in their head, quite a lot

ItsLateHumpty · 07/11/2022 00:23

Datun · 07/11/2022 00:20

I think Livvy has these conversations in their head, quite a lot

😂 true!

grandrapid · 07/11/2022 01:35

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Happylittlechicken · 07/11/2022 06:28

So the proud boys and the TRA have a lot in common in how they view women, with the exception being the proud boys don’t send abuse and rape threats to women who disagree with them? I’m not defending or condoning the proud boys, I think they’re just a load of stupid men wanting to be in a gang, like kids on a playground. Especially the ‘girls not allowed’ bit. If the left wing are going to criticise how right wing men treat women, I think they’d be better getting their own house in order first.

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2022 07:30

So the Proud Boys don't want their kids sterilised, mutilated or to be at risk of indoctrination or their daughters unsafe in female toilets?

And that's bad.

But British left wing men can go on the hunt for broody lesbians to use as a recepticle for a child, and thats just fine.

What a world we live in.

RadicalFern · 07/11/2022 08:09

I can’t understand this constant bringing up of the Proud Boys, as if there’s anyone on this forum who thinks that they’re in any way feminists. We know they’re not, they know they’re not, KJK is also surely under no illusions. But if they’ll sit quietly at her meetings and wait till all the women have spoken, and they keep to the topic under discussion, why shouldn’t they be allowed to speak? Them rolling up to a meeting doesn’t mean that KJK agrees with them, that’s not how being attendance works.

The large scale mutilation of children in the name of affirming their gender, the demise of women’s sports, and other issues raised by SFW are the sorts of things that all sorts of people should care about, not just feminists, not just women. It should be called out as a disgrace by those at all points on the political spectrum.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 08:12

half of them are Democrats watching to take the piss out of him on social media

The lack of capacity to think beyond the snark and the deilivering what is believed to be a ‘zinger’ is not new. We have seen the pattern before.

Let’s work through this shall we.

Tucker Carlson is viewed is one of a leading US TV channel’s highest rating shows. According to livvy it is watched by people across the political spectrum of ‘half’ the watching population are democrats.

Awesome!! KJK appeared on a show watched across the political spectrum. Brilliant.

half of them are Democrats watching to take the piss out of him on social media

Do you understand how good messaging works from a marketing point of view ?

A message that resonates with people will reach even those watching a show to ‘take the piss out of’ it.

livvy it doesn’t matter why those eyes are watching the show, they are watching the show! And they will hear the message!

And then they will go of and see what she is saying.

Do you also understand the significance of protesting in front of a surgeon who brags about ‘yeeting the teets! of young teenagers! Because people
will go and see for themselves because they won’t believe any surgeon could be using that language and doing that operation…

Your posts really seem to only able to focus on the superficial level without any depth of understanding the deeper implications and outcomes of what you quite seem to be literally crowing about.

The result is not what you obviously think it will be. And me explaining it to you feels like deja vu.

AlisonDonut · 07/11/2022 08:24

It is almost getting to Sunday Sport levels of 'Freddie Starr ate my hamster and Posie Parker has kittens on toast' level of cope.

And they say comedy is dead.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/11/2022 08:24

Has KJK morphed into JKR in the 'everything is her fault' stakes?

ScreamingMeMe · 07/11/2022 08:33

The threats against women from those on the left have ramped up. An Antifa faction has been threatening Jeanna Hoch, and allegedly turned up at her home.

I'm sure it's all KJK's fault though.

Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats PART 2
Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats PART 2
Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 08:35

The message is that gender critical activists from the UK are quite happy to work with violent right wing militias and have former Proud Boys speak at their protests. That's only going to impress a very narrow demographic who are onside anyway, most decent people will be appalled.

Your twisted message exists on twitter and where else?

You are overly confident that people in the USA will make the connections that you have. Yes, people who seem to want to amplify the connections for their own gain are excited about it.

But so far, the ‘connections’ are a male turned up at Chicago and got a selfie with her. He then said on social media that he didn’t introduce himself and had no connection at all with her.

And said what drew him to her event, was the PROTESTORS!

Next a male turned up in Miami and is obviously very concerned about children. About a surgeon who removes the breasts of young teens and advertises on Tiktok that she ‘yeets the teets!’.

Again, he doesn’t seem to be spreading Proud Boy messages. Did he?

He is there as a concerned parent one can assume.

How hypocritical is it that some people dismiss the violence of the Chicago, Tacoma and Portland protests and seem to be so focused on two men turning up? One to listen to the messages and one to speak about their concerns.

Yeah. Two males who were respectful of the women speaking are the issues here…. Look there is another squirrel is getting boring. Can we move onto bats now?

Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 08:41

ScreamingMeMe · 07/11/2022 08:33

The threats against women from those on the left have ramped up. An Antifa faction has been threatening Jeanna Hoch, and allegedly turned up at her home.

I'm sure it's all KJK's fault though.

That is horrific behaviour screaming!

So do you support this livvy, wight and grandrapids? You have a lot to say about how reprehensible it is that a man turned up at Miami and spoke words into a mic. Livvy has actively dismissed the violence against the women speaking.

Are you happy to support this?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 07/11/2022 08:59

livvy - the only actual, concrete Proud Boy connections I know of is that one of the founders of transactivist magazine Vice News went on to be a founder of PB. I'd prefer if that was addressed rather than have to read outlandish screeds about how Goodie Parker was seen within 5 miles of a right-winger. Our hands are clean - let's examine the other side's.

Datun · 07/11/2022 08:59

livvyposts · 06/11/2022 23:02

Good for Posie. Her message is reaching across the political spectrum.

The message is that gender critical activists from the UK are quite happy to work with violent right wing militias and have former Proud Boys speak at their protests. That's only going to impress a very narrow demographic who are onside anyway, most decent people will be appalled.

No, no.

This is your message, not Posie's.

She has publicly said so. Yesterday she said that people like you making up associations that don't exist are placing women in danger.

And she spelt out exactly how.

And now a man has turned up at one of these women's house to threaten her.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 09:06

Speaking of ‘connections’…

Hey livvy, shall we now speak about Allyn Walker, Jacob Breslow and Peter Tatchell? And their very real and formalised connections to the LGBT community?

Shall we also start to post the quotes from the transitioned males and their true opinions about females? Open mouth, vacant eyes, grease fires and all that.

I really cannot believe that some posters are still here trying to solidify some association out of someone uninvited turning up at a free speech mic event when there are some pretty problematic associations that are are officially sanctioned and out there.

The hypocrisy is alarming.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 07/11/2022 09:10

but the reality is that the Proud Boys view women much in the same way as white supremacists and elements of the online misogynist manosphere do: undeserving of the same status as men, worthy of ridicule for deviating from traditional gender norms, objectifiable in some instances to serve men, and worthy of protection in others -- as long as they fulfil deeply antiquated gender roles in the service of preserving “western” society.

TRA/SJW men constantly tell women they need to be quiet, be kind, be an ally, in situations where women doing this are completely acting against their own interest.

TRAs love to ridicule women about their appearance - that concern over TW is just jealousy, that they are more woman that "cis" women etc (you know, like the song that Jordan person sang on Friday Night Live).

Serving men? Well it's ok for left wing men to use women as vessels for their surrogate babies - poor women at that. Owen Jones was on the hunt for broody lesbians to service him. And left wing men always have used women as support humans for their causes - women strung along for decades in the US over abortion, Obama betraying women over abortion to push through the Affordable Care Act, the same with the Labour Party for years telling women to get in line for rights and just wait until after the next election. (see above, be kind, be an ally, shut up about your own concerns).

There are no more deeply antiquated gender roles than those cosplayed by people pretending to be the opposite sex. Such cosplay celebrated by left wing men and women told to STFU for objecting to it.

The service of preserving western society? There can be nothing more white, middle class, tone deaf, western centric than a movement that is based on the "human right" to dress up in glittery lady clothes, have unnecessary plastic surgery using scarce NHS resources, use makeup and drugs produced by companies with horrendous records of inhumanity to their fellow man (looking at you, L'Oreal, looking at you Purdue), appropriate and abuse concepts of self developed over millennia by now persecuted indigenous peoples (e.g. 2 spirit), invent a load of stupid pronouns guaranteed to catch out ordinary working class people who have more urgent things on their plate than how they address someone who identifies as a cat, not to mention people for who English is not their first language, effectively exclude girls and women from certain ethnic and religious backgrounds by putting males into women only spaces.

There's nothing in that description of the Proud Boys that can't be applied to men on the so called progressive left, the so called SJWs, BLM and a good portion of men occupying the mainstream of media and politics. The common factor being rampant misogyny, that is as much a preserve of men on the left as it is of men on the right.

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Datun · 07/11/2022 09:13

MoirasSaggyBundles · 07/11/2022 09:10

but the reality is that the Proud Boys view women much in the same way as white supremacists and elements of the online misogynist manosphere do: undeserving of the same status as men, worthy of ridicule for deviating from traditional gender norms, objectifiable in some instances to serve men, and worthy of protection in others -- as long as they fulfil deeply antiquated gender roles in the service of preserving “western” society.

TRA/SJW men constantly tell women they need to be quiet, be kind, be an ally, in situations where women doing this are completely acting against their own interest.

TRAs love to ridicule women about their appearance - that concern over TW is just jealousy, that they are more woman that "cis" women etc (you know, like the song that Jordan person sang on Friday Night Live).

Serving men? Well it's ok for left wing men to use women as vessels for their surrogate babies - poor women at that. Owen Jones was on the hunt for broody lesbians to service him. And left wing men always have used women as support humans for their causes - women strung along for decades in the US over abortion, Obama betraying women over abortion to push through the Affordable Care Act, the same with the Labour Party for years telling women to get in line for rights and just wait until after the next election. (see above, be kind, be an ally, shut up about your own concerns).

There are no more deeply antiquated gender roles than those cosplayed by people pretending to be the opposite sex. Such cosplay celebrated by left wing men and women told to STFU for objecting to it.

The service of preserving western society? There can be nothing more white, middle class, tone deaf, western centric than a movement that is based on the "human right" to dress up in glittery lady clothes, have unnecessary plastic surgery using scarce NHS resources, use makeup and drugs produced by companies with horrendous records of inhumanity to their fellow man (looking at you, L'Oreal, looking at you Purdue), appropriate and abuse concepts of self developed over millennia by now persecuted indigenous peoples (e.g. 2 spirit), invent a load of stupid pronouns guaranteed to catch out ordinary working class people who have more urgent things on their plate than how they address someone who identifies as a cat, not to mention people for who English is not their first language, effectively exclude girls and women from certain ethnic and religious backgrounds by putting males into women only spaces.

There's nothing in that description of the Proud Boys that can't be applied to men on the so called progressive left, the so called SJWs, BLM and a good portion of men occupying the mainstream of media and politics. The common factor being rampant misogyny, that is as much a preserve of men on the left as it is of men on the right.

👏👏👏

MoirasSaggyBundles · 07/11/2022 09:22

I'll add another thing. Much like with racism, I would rather deal with people who are up front about their attitudes towards women than those who engage in double speak. I can find the common ground much easier with people who tell me who they are plainly, than those who claim they are on my side, but are in fact gas lighting and self serving in order to make themselves look good for the history books.

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Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 09:29

Yes moira!

I look forward to the posts refuting that projection you have pointed out.

We have the very quotes to provide anyone who doubts that transitioned males, and other allies ‘view women much in the same way as white supremacists and elements of the online misogynist manosphere do: undeserving of the same status as men, worthy of ridicule for deviating from traditional gender norms, objectifiable in some instances to serve men’

I cannot quite believe that any poster wrote thinking that we cannot see the rank hypocrisy.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/11/2022 10:09

This is despicable. Who was chortling away at us silly wimms seeing Antifa around every corner?

Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats PART 2
Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats PART 2
Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 10:15

ScreamingMeMe · 07/11/2022 10:09

This is despicable. Who was chortling away at us silly wimms seeing Antifa around every corner?

There are no words Screaming.

Imagine the fear she and her family are feeling now.

Helleofabore · 07/11/2022 10:16

ScreamingMeMe · 07/11/2022 10:09

This is despicable. Who was chortling away at us silly wimms seeing Antifa around every corner?

That is really disgusting behaviour. And this is a woman who was assaulted at two protests - Portland and Tacoma.

Both instances were dismissed here on these threads.

Quite outstanding efforts of dismissal by margaritapie, Secrettranstwitterengineer, livvy, @antelopevalley and others.

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