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For Women Scotland Judicial Review 2

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Signalbox · 06/11/2022 10:44

For Women Scotland Judicial Review: mentioned today in the Times. I didn't realise that this was happening this week on 9th and 10th November according to FWS website...

forwomen.scot/01/09/2022/impact-of-second-judicial-review/

We have a petition for judicial review pending, averring that this revised guidance is not compliant with the court’s decision and is therefore unlawful. The Scottish Government has repeated its earlier error in law by incorporating transsexuals living as women (albeit now restricted to those who hold a GRC) into the definition of woman, thus conflating and confusing two protected characteristics. The Scottish Government has declined to remove the section referring to the GRA and have indicated that it is their understanding that a GRC changes a person’s sex for the purposes of the Equality Act. Whether they believe a person’s biological sex changes on receipt of a GRC or whether they now dispute that the Equality Act refers to biological sex remains to be seen.

Permission has been granted for the judicial review and the substantive hearing date has been set for 9th and 10th November 2022.

We believe this case puts the Committee in a very difficult position as, until such time as the court makes a ruling, the proper relationship between the GRA and the Equality Act cannot be understood, and nor can the consequences of any legislative reform of the GRA.

If the Scottish Government is correct that a person’s sex changes in the Equality Act with a GRC then it follows that the statement to Committee by Cabinet Secretary, Shona Robison, that the GRR Bill “does not redefine what a man or a woman is”, is incorrect. Clearly, if men who hold a GRC (transwomen) are included in the definition of woman (and women who hold a GRC (transmen) are excluded), then changing the circumstances under which a person is entitled to a GRC will also have the effect of changing the definition of woman.

The GRR Bill proposes a significant change to the eligibility criteria for a GRC and will include, for the first time, those without a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and those aged 16 and 17. The Scottish Government also estimates a tenfold increase in applications for a GRC. This diversification and expansion of GRC holders from the current situation will significantly change who is counted under the definition of woman.

Whether a person is defined as a man or a woman matters for the successful operation of the Equality Act across a broad range of provisions, including single-sex exceptions, equal pay claims and access to maternity rights, and we are concerned that this is underappreciated and poorly understood by the Scottish Government. It is, of course, vitally important because any action taken by the Scottish Parliament must be careful not to modify any of the protected characteristics, including the definition of woman, lest it strays into reserved matters.

The Scottish Government seems hopelessly confused and inconsistent when it comes to the definition of woman, with at least three different definitions currently in operation across various pieces of legislation and policy. Contrary to the position outlined above, it fully understood that sex was biological when SNP MSPs voted in favour of the Lamont amendment to substitute gender with sex in the Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) Bill to ensure a request for a female medical examiner resulted in the provision of exactly that, and not a man with a GRC (transwoman).

At the other extreme, the Cabinet Secretary again contradicted the Scottish Government’s current position by asserting a GRC is not required for a man to fall under the definition of woman and access single-sex services for that sex, when she said to Parliament that “the 2010 Act does not apply exceptions specifically to toilets and changing rooms. Trans people can and do use those now, whether they have a GRC or not, and they have been using them for many years.” This fails to recognise the single-sex mandates in legislation relating to schools and workplaces as well as specific examples in the Equality Act Explanatory Notes – we have written separately to you about this matter.

A recent Scottish Government public consultation on the Review of Funding and Commissioning of Violence Against Women and Girls Services redefined a woman as “anyone who defines themselves as a woman”. Not only does this circular statement flagrantly disregard the Inner House ruling but it fails to recognise funding for women’s services can only be allocated via positive action measures in s158 of the Equality Act so must adhere to the protected characteristics. Our letters to both the review group and the Scottish Ministers asking for the consultation to be withdrawn and reissued with a correction have not received any response. We further note the Scottish Government only accepts applications for funding from individual women’s services on production of a LBTI inclusion policy that is transwomen inclusive. Again, this is not dependent on holding a GRC.

In summary, we believe the revised statutory guidance for the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act is unlawful. The Scottish Government believe otherwise and maintain a GRC changes a person’s sex for the purposes of the Equality Act. Not only does this decouple women’s biological sex from sex-specific provisions in the Equality Act, but it means reforming the GRA also carries a serious risk of intruding on reserved matters. The Scottish Government has a history of inconsistency and lack of understanding on both the definition of woman and the operation of the Equality Act. All of this leaves the Committee exposed, trying to make good law in the midst of a live court action, the outcome of which materially affects the reform.

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BettyFilous · 06/11/2022 10:51

It’s galling that this even needs to be challenged. However, the women of Scotland are blessed in the tenacity of FWS and their other feminist campaigners. The obstinacy of the Scottish Government is something to behold.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/11/2022 11:01

What an incoherent mess - I hope the review restores some sanity.

CentaureaCyanus · 06/11/2022 11:13

Is this the Sunday Times article? www.thetimes.co.uk/article/207b2726-5d52-11ed-9a48-54549b73e939?shareToken=2534f97c237aa4c3cf4c80531d72bf94

Good luck FWS, you've done such important work here. I hope the implications for women and children get properly scrutinised and considered (although that would be a first!) and the SG are forced to back away from their anti-women plans.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/11/2022 11:24

Good luck, this is really important.

Signalbox · 06/11/2022 11:27

CentaureaCyanus · 06/11/2022 11:13

Is this the Sunday Times article? www.thetimes.co.uk/article/207b2726-5d52-11ed-9a48-54549b73e939?shareToken=2534f97c237aa4c3cf4c80531d72bf94

Good luck FWS, you've done such important work here. I hope the implications for women and children get properly scrutinised and considered (although that would be a first!) and the SG are forced to back away from their anti-women plans.

Times article is the second link in the OP on this thread. There’s a share token on the link.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4671015-sunday-times-coverage-of-scotland-reforms?reply=121308597

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CentaureaCyanus · 06/11/2022 12:11

The same one then. Thanks.

Signalbox · 06/11/2022 15:27

CentaureaCyanus · 06/11/2022 12:11

The same one then. Thanks.

I think your link is broken I couldn't see which article it was related to.

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/11/2022 17:35

I am so grateful for FWS.

Signalbox · 08/11/2022 12:12

I wonder if anyone will be tweeting. I've had a search on Twitter and can't see any information.

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RhannionKPSS · 08/11/2022 12:28

This is going to be a very important hearing for various reasons, especially if you have a look on the court roll regarding the Scottish Government’s choice of lawyers...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2022 13:03

Do you have a link to that court roll Rhiannion ?

Signalbox · 08/11/2022 13:44

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2022 13:03

Do you have a link to that court roll Rhiannion ?

This must be it...

www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-rolls/court-roll?id=797f26c5-20c5-4b5a-a52e-233cec22d3dc&contentType=Session

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bitachey · 08/11/2022 14:24

Oh my

For Women Scotland Judicial Review 2
RhannionKPSS · 08/11/2022 14:30

You can see what we are up against...

GrrrrAReform · 08/11/2022 14:40

Denton's. This IS going to be a critical moment in Scotland's future because it's going to be lain out for all to see. A really important Judicial Review.

bitachey · 08/11/2022 15:43

Dentons again. I hope the papers pick this up

bitachey · 08/11/2022 15:45

I’d also like to know why Scottish Greens are so intent on pushing this.

Signalbox · 08/11/2022 15:48

bitachey · 08/11/2022 15:45

I’d also like to know why Scottish Greens are so intent on pushing this.

I think Scottish Greens are more focused on trans issues than they are on the environment. Didn’t they recently distance themselves from GPEW for being transphobic?

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littlbrowndog · 08/11/2022 15:51

Dentons. Scottish greens

yes they did tell the other greens they were bigots.

what is it with Scottish greens 🤷‍♀️

Fenlandia · 08/11/2022 16:10

So appreciative of FWS but galling it's down to determined, smart, private individuals to bring this into the public sphere rather than any number of well-paid civil society organisations.

bitachey · 08/11/2022 16:40

Donors to Scottish Greens? I wonder. Just seems so blinkered. They were all for 12-16 to be able to legally change gender. Madness.

TheBiologyStupid · 08/11/2022 17:08

The upcoming judicial review got a mention today in the Mermaids v Charity Commission& LGB Alliance hearing, IIRC.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 08/11/2022 17:23

watching this with intense interest

Abitofalark · 08/11/2022 18:04

Thanks for posting. For clarification, could you say what it is a review of? I see a reference to guidance but not what guidance.

Hoardasurass · 08/11/2022 18:21

@Abitofalark it's the guidance for the equal representation Bill.
The Bill was supposed to make all public bodies 50% men and 50% women by positively discriminating in favour of women when you have 2 equal candidates. Unfortunately scot gov decided to redefine women aa anyone who identify as 1. Fws took them 2 court over the definition and won and scot government were ordered to change the definition in the Bill. They did however they then redefined woman to include any biological male with a GRC claiming that it changes your sex under the equality act (yet at the same time says the exact opposite in Parliament when talking about the gra reform). This new redefinition of women is what the review is about