Cancel culture? Young people aren’t intolerant, we’re progressive

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Supposedly us older folk know nothing about feminism or violence against women:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/474fff50-5ad4-11ed-962f-53da0c787308?shareToken=546e4920254c77298c5e84d19894a71a

Well then. That’s us oldies told isn’t it?

She and her sister sound perfectly delightful. 'Lecturing' and 'pontificating' (her words) to close family and people at parties. They must be at the top of everyone's guest list when it comes to gatherings, familial or otherwise.

She sounds like a pompous twit tbh.

Ah the rampant ageism of the young progressive

ageism being the one completely acceptable prejudice. If only those fighting ageism had fought to make it phobic rather than an ism

I'm a millennial. I'm over 40. So lumping millennials in with gen z is problematic for a start. Randomly labelling people based on a vague generational cohort is also problematic. Yet people do seem to like a label. Perhaps I'm a non-generational cis-millenial?

Well put.

This is all blinkered and sanctimonious opinion, lacking in critical thinking.

That was quite funny - older people (as in, her dad's generation not the Queen's) not knowing about feminism and environmental issues. Where we all so cocky, once?

Thanks for that Iggy.

All the misplaced zeal of Mao's Red Guards.

Wow so she agrees that gen Z and a certain section of millennials are intolerant echo chamber listening to zealots who are unable to listen to other opinions. But it's all good because it's our fault for being uneducated racist, homophobic, transphobic and not feminists 🤔🤣
God she and her sister come across as complete twats with her casual ageism and inability to accept other people's views.

It’s just like the joy of being 50 and lectured about how section 28 is exactly analogous to trans rights by someone who wasn’t born until 2000

you weren’t even alive then you silly child

I love how she can't conceive of the idea that people might be horrified by racism, homophobia and misogyny and still have a problem with selfID (because evryfin's transfobya, yeah?).
Definitely Maoism with a latte.

Agree with some of what she says, and views like this do deserve to be heard, but ‘lecture’ and ‘pontificate’ made me wince. You have to be careful that ageism doesn’t just swing the other way.

Maoism with a latte! that's brilliant!

I'm genuinely looking forward to learning from my ds, who's at university at the moment. He'll bring me a breath of the wider world and new perspectives.

Luckily he's neither such a twat as to 'lecture' me, nor so posh as to have a connection at The Times to get this sort of clickbait published.

But is that really something we should be condemning? Speaking about the research, Channel 4 chief executive Alex Mahon said that Yips are “more censorious than their elders” but this was “in support of people they see as vulnerable”.

This is surely a good thing.

And here is her logic fail, and the reason why their insistence on silencing others falls down. The people they are championing are not vulnerable people (and at least she’s honest here, even if she’s missed the potentially negative implications) but people they perceive as vulnerable. If only she had more life experience, she might perhaps realize that older women than herself very often do have direct experience of feminism and violence against women and are, perhaps logically better able to judge real vulnerability against false claims to it.

covering everything from LGBT+ rights and sustainability to violence against women and feminism — issues that older generations might not be as well versed in.

ha ha ha! Given that I teach this stuff, and took part in various feminist activism throughout the 1970s and 80s as did millions of women and gay men, I think there are many of us rather better informed than many young Tiktokkers.

I wonder if she’s read the great classic texts of feminism and gay liberation, or just watched YouTube vids?

I feel it's more the nature of the threat that gets misjudged at a younger age. I'm old enough to see significant threats in online communities and less so in parents raising objections to the untrammelled influence of those communities. And lovely attentive men who would be delighted to tell young women that the oldsters aren't hip to the fun of OnlyFans, breath play and BDSM.

@ISaySteadyOn I must tip my hat to @RambamThankyouMam who rightly describes this as Maoist.
I grew up (1960s born) thinking Maoism could never happen here. And thinking 1984 and Animal Farm were both fantasy versions of extreme thinking that we could never have. How fucking wrong I was.

Hmmm…. I forgot to take my post through to the logical conclusion, which is that if you’re going to flex your youthful muscles to the point where you’re censoring others and failing absolutely to listen to what they have to say, you’d better be 100% sure you actually have your facts right. She even acknowledges the fact that this is not a situation where 100% certainly is in place. Thus stopping others from even speaking to give their experience and perspective is indeed a sign of intolerance. Progressive or otherwise, the intolerance is undeniable.

I will be interested to see this research by Channel 4.

I have looked and they don’t seem to have released it. Just the press releases.

The "older" generation remember when being homosexual was a crime and when there was no equal pay legislation. Things that are no longer the case in the UK - things that are taken for granted by younger people nowadays.

When I was at Uni in the 90s, people were allowed a platform and if you didn't like their views, you went along and debated they did not get cancelled.

I get so annoyed by the section 28 analogies and the assumption that because I question gender ideology (not “trans rights’) I was therefore of course also a bigot and on the anti gay rights side re section 28. I didn’t march to say gay men should be allowed in women’s spaces or that children should get health-destroying treatments on their say-so, but for gay people to have the same rights as everyone else. And that’s what I think trans people should have. That doesn’t include the right to bully people into saying something you’re not, or the right to take away others’ rights to same-sex spaces.

I was a tomboy who wondered if I “should have been a boy” but thank fuck grew up in a time when coming to terms with being female was the way through instead of being channelled towards dangerous and ineffective “treatment”, so I grew up to be a feminist, thinking woman. And the feminism of women who understand you cannot identify out of you sex is the feminism that stands for all women, globally.

It is genuinely concerning though if they think that feminism, anti racism & movements to fight for LGB rights are 21st century inventions.

do they have no concept of anything before 2000 and/or things that happened before they were alive?

They're just mumsnetters in training. If they want real intolerance they should come here.😆

She’s ‘in awe’ whenever she hears her fifteen year old sister pontificate to her father on an issue? Yes, because we all know fifteen year olds are bastions of wisdom and rationality with all that life experience to draw on.