Cancel culture? Young people aren’t intolerant, we’re progressive

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Supposedly us older folk know nothing about feminism or violence against women:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/474fff50-5ad4-11ed-962f-53da0c787308?shareToken=546e4920254c77298c5e84d19894a71a

Older people might not be 'versed' in feminism? She can fuck right off.

So bored of younger people displaying their ignorance as truth.

Have they considered that others might take the same track and may become inconsiderate of their indoctrination views.

So called woke liberals are very liberal and open minded until someone does not agree with them
Thuy are incredibly right wing and so not get that their attitude is exactly the same as was seen in Nazi Germany and is seen now in N Korea and China and many middle east places

So being progressive is restricting freedom of speech
Really you could not make this stuff up
The self absorption of wokies is beyond belief

I think these girls are laying up terrible trouble for themselves. At the moment, it is only ‘other people’, the poor women , the sexually exploited women, the women traded as chattels for family security whoa are really impacted by the ‘ rights’ and ‘liberalism’ which they so thoughtlessly advocate.
But of course, male privilege will burst out of its box, and impact on them, too. I think we had a glimpse of it in the famous Primark changing room incident, that oOr girl still trying to be true to her liberal inclusive principles whilst shaking with shock and fear.
No one is exempt, girls.

A bit more on the C4 research (though no actual link to it, annoyingly): amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/01/its-out-of-order-gen-z-speak-up-on-cancel-culture-and-young-illiberal-progressives

Young, advantaged woman with no little life experience showing exactly how illiberal she is, and not having an ounce of awareness.

This is not the first time a 15 year old thinking they know more than their parents, it's a rite of passage after all.

The difference is that they may never come out of this way of thinking if they only interact with those who reflect back the same viewpoints, whether in their friendship groups or the media they consume, which is specifically tailored to their views.

Tolerance is not acceptance.

Had she said they don't accept (i.e. agree with) those views, that would be far less worrying. No one has to accept views they disagree with.

But tolerance merely requires one to allow that other people have the right to disagree with you, the right not to accept your particular view on any given issue.

To proudly defend intolerance is to proubly embrace illiberalism and censorship. Worst of all, whether they understand this or not, to proudly defend intolerance is to reject some of our most important and cherished and basic human rights - those of freedom of conscience, freedom of belief, of speech, association and assembly.

That's a horrifying world they will end up living in if they get their way.

P.S. and I know this shouldn't annoy me so much, but unless her dad is over 70, he is not part of the baby boomer generation.

'contemporary discourse, covering everything from LGBT+ rights and sustainability to violence against women and feminism — issues that older generations might not be as well versed in.'

Oh my fucking days.

'I’m not interested in tolerating the views of others. Nor do I think I should be. Rather, I believe it’s the older generation that needs to become more tolerant of us.'

Well, this is quite a familiar sound. I hear it regularly from my teen.

Why is it that 'progressive' is seen as unmitigatedly positive? What on earth are we progressing towards?

Yes, indeed. I can remember seeing the news headlines when equal pay was awarded. I remember when rape in marriage was not a crime. I remember when male homosexuality was a severe impediment to any man wanting a public career.

And so on ….

All 15 year olds like to lecture their parents, but their elder sisters generally don’t get paid Times column rates of pay (not too shabby, I expect) to tell us about it.

Sorry, my post was in answer to @littleburn

Honestly, who the fuck do they think fought against Section 28, fought for women's refuges, marched against apartheid, camped at Greenham?? The arrogance and ignorance is off the scale.

And hear, hear! to this.

Did anyone look at the Greenham exhibition at FiLIA?

I know that a feature of youth is a measure of just not knowing stuff. But I really hope to god I was never this arrogant about my cluelessness.

Honestly, hand on heart I reckon I was this arrogant about the beliefs I held dear at the time.

I am grateful though that life knocked it out of me. I'm a better person for it.

But what worries me about this IS the cancellation of it all. The fascistic (if that is a word) concept that if someone does not agree then they have no worth, their lives have no worth, their opinions, views and very existence has no worth.

The cancel culture mob don't even see it for what it is.

Wow, those people in the article really are obnoxious! It's almost... ALMOST... as if they were cherry-picked by journalists to further the ideals of a media corporation by appealing to the emotions of its consumers? Almost, huh! What a funny old world.

wonder if she’s read the great classic texts of feminism and gay liberation, or just watched YouTube vids?

Yeah, but The Second Sex is over 900 pages, and there's this nice beardy bloke who explains feminism in two minute segments on TikTok.

What an insufferable prig.

I have shoes older than her.

I do agree it's a typical teenage/young person thing to think you know it all and rant on in a woke (/what we used to call "right on") manner. And that's always been so. But I do think it was different in the past in that you didn't expect to be given the power to silence all other views. We may have thought we were righteously right, but we did know there were other views and understood that debating topics with people who disagreed was a thing. We all saw the danger of being Rik off the Young Ones and knew he was ridiculous.

Older people might not be 'versed' in feminism?

That's quite telling that she thinks it's about being "versed" - told what to think and having all your correct slogans and pre-trained views to hand.

The thing about being an older woman, for a great many of us, is that our feminism isn't versed, it's a long hard journey that we look back on, in which decades of experience has shown us how misogyny works in a million ways, and what it does to relationships, to girls, to society. As women get older, they tend to grow and mature away from needing to be liked and trying to centre men, as the sexism in our upbringing gets replaced by clear-eyed cynicism about relationships and understanding that we can centre ourselves in our own lives. That can happen whether a woman is self-consciously a feminist, or just going through life and dealing with all the shit without that label.

That is why older women can help younger ones, even when we see that they're naive and disrespectful and think they're right - and I have been helped by so many older women in my life.

as if they were cherry-picked by journalists

Can't be cherry-picked by journalists if they're not there or don't agree to make a twat of themselves in a national newspaper.

That's quite telling that she thinks it's about being "versed" - told what to think and having all your correct slogans and pre-trained views to hand.

Well spotted. Very telling indeed.

Hasn't it always been this way? Young people think they know everything and see things in shades of black and white and as you get older you see everything more in shades of gray as you get more experience of the world? I predict her views will change as she gets older and discovers the issues that those of us who have gone before are sadly too familiar with such as sexism in the workplace and domestic violence.

Channel 4 have a programme, Made in the 80s - the decade that shaped us that features the women of Greenham Common.

www.channel4.com/programmes/made-in-the-80s-decade-that-shaped-our-world

Leave Olivia alone. She's a sex column and fashion writer who wrote a novel about dating. Newspapers like to commission these pieces - cha

I agree that young people have always been like this. The issue today is their enthusiasm for echo chambers and cancel culture may inhibit the challenge to and evolution of those views.

The situation in universities being particularly appalling and problematic. I was challenged at all angles at uni. It shaped my critical facilities as I was always having to stand up my position. How will the generation that doesn't have this training fare in the longer term?

Older people might not be versed in feminism?

I was a second generation feminist, now in my eighth decade. It was my generation, you self-entitled little brat, that won you the right to enter jobs previousy held only by men, the principle of equal pay for work of equal value, the right to have a mortgage or a loan without a male guarantor, the principle of maternity leave and pay - need I go on?

It is an old cliche that a 15-year-old thinks her parents know nothing and are surprised how much they have learnt by the time she is twenty, but in this generation's case, steeped in woke and cancel culture I doubt they will have even begun to grow up by the time they are 30.

Mark Twain was right when he said: “It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”