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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Norwegian man identifies as disabled woman

87 replies

Waiting4baby2 · 02/11/2022 22:29

Just saw this - apparently he was given a sympathetic interview but it sparked backlash from disabled people (rightly so, wtf??!!!)
reduxx.info/norwegian-man-now-identifies-as-a-disabled-woman-uses-wheelchair-almost-full-time/
I have heard about people identifying as animals, children, another ethnicity to their own, now disabled… why has identifying as the opposite sex become socially acceptable but not these other identities? Surely it is equally as offensive/ bizarre?
If you believe that self ID is fine for men to ‘become women’ and vice versa doesn’t it follow you think you can self ID as anything? If everyone is simply whatever they say they are, why is the line drawn at ‘gender’?

OP posts:
Holdonwharaboutthewaffles · 03/11/2022 09:16

Is that not Munchausens?

Holdonwharaboutthewaffles · 03/11/2022 09:17

Fenneloup · 03/11/2022 08:10

It says in the article that he finds role playing a disabled woman sexually arousing. But why on earth does he feel the need to be securely aroused all the time?? Why can't he keep it to the bedroom or just in his head? Why impose it on everyone else?

Oh. Ignore my previous post.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/11/2022 09:18

‘Spends ‘her ‘ time playing with the couple’s young grandchildren’

it always ends up there, doesn’t it? I wonder if the unsupportive family didn’t welcome him ‘playing’ with his own children?

(cis family? Cis children?)

OldCrone · 03/11/2022 09:28

nauticant · 03/11/2022 08:40

Melanie Reid (who is disabled) wrote about Jennings-White in 2012.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spinal-column-no-truck-with-transableists-r3qrr3glx73

archive.ph/rIKDk

AlwaysFoldingWashing · 03/11/2022 09:31

FemaleAndLearning · 02/11/2022 23:32

My friend is an amputee and she is aware of people who want to have limbs amputated. My friend is on support groups for amputees and gets asked a lot of questions some people ask too many questions and they soon turn out to be those with an amputee fetish. It's disgusting.

OMG I wasn't even aware this was a thing. How awful for your friend

Whatthechicken · 03/11/2022 09:47

AlwaysFoldingWashing · 03/11/2022 09:31

OMG I wasn't even aware this was a thing. How awful for your friend

There is an interesting article on this and self identity. It’s been posted before on another thread.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

FemaleAndLearning · 03/11/2022 09:52

Stefonknee says her 'adoptive' family, which consists of an older couple and their children and young grandchildren, are completely accepting of her identifying as a little girl.

Who are the adoptive parents also telling that the name is pronounced Steff On Knee.

What 6 year old ducks a dummy. Oh and what a surprise he likes dressing as a school child.

nilsmousehammer · 03/11/2022 09:56

I wonder how much the children have been told about the anal sex that this individual enjoys as part of the role play with their 'parents'?

Behind closed doors what consenting adults do is their business. This stuffing fetish in the faces of non consenting others while demanding 'acceptance' of smashing their boundaries is nothing to celebrate, it's just thrill seeking behaviour that many ethical BDSM clubs would ban members for.

ProtectAndTerf · 03/11/2022 15:03

nauticant · 03/11/2022 08:40

I remember reading about Chloe Jennings-White before and I noted there were pictures of Chloe hiking in a wheelchair. I suspect there are various reasons feeding into why someone would want to identify as disabled (or female) but one has struck me. Probably won't put this very well, but it's something to do with wanting to be noticed for doing something they can actually do easily. Pretending to be disadvantaged so they can "overcome" the supposed disadvantage. I suppose it's part of identifying into a marginalised group - they don't want to actually BE marginalised, but to have the glory of achieving things which can only be gained by pretending to be disadvantaged. So Chloe doesn't want to play a sort of weak or limited role or miss out on things, but instead play the role of "inspirational disabled woman" out hiking and so on.
(Whereas most disabled women actually want to get on with living their lives without being pitied or expected to be inspirational...)
It seems to be a perverse thing that has sprung out of identity politics. As we recognise people's achievements despite barriers, the dominant white, able-bodied males try to find a way back into the limelight.

beastlyslumber · 03/11/2022 15:53

This 'transablism' grossness has been going on for a while now. I remember in the early days of the radical feminist blogosphere, there were many individuals agitating for transablism alongside transgenderism. And trans-age as well. It's all part of the same cluster: personality disorder, fetishes, misogyny.

Soubriquet · 03/11/2022 16:00

Bet he doesn’t sit and wonder if he can get out today. If his pain is minimal enough to go out.

That the venue can handle a wheelchair in the first place

twat

viques · 03/11/2022 16:05

Fenneloup · 03/11/2022 08:10

It says in the article that he finds role playing a disabled woman sexually arousing. But why on earth does he feel the need to be securely aroused all the time?? Why can't he keep it to the bedroom or just in his head? Why impose it on everyone else?

Surely if he is paralysed from the waist down his sexual arousal must be a pretty pathetic event. Unless, oh miracle of miracles, his penis has remained unaffected by the paralysis!

Surely seeing something as extremely ridiculous as this mans pervy sexuality must make people realise that by accepting these men with their being women fantasies we are all being made complicit in their wet dreams.

viques · 03/11/2022 16:05

viques · 03/11/2022 16:05

Surely if he is paralysed from the waist down his sexual arousal must be a pretty pathetic event. Unless, oh miracle of miracles, his penis has remained unaffected by the paralysis!

Surely seeing something as extremely ridiculous as this mans pervy sexuality must make people realise that by accepting these men with their being women fantasies we are all being made complicit in their wet dreams.

Too many surely , sorry.

Holdonwharaboutthewaffles · 03/11/2022 16:07

Starting to get bored of people's detishes being 'news' now. I really didn't want to know. No offence to you op.

Fairislefandango · 03/11/2022 16:08

It was only a matter of time. Once people start believing you can magically be something you're categorically not, just by feeling like you are, anything goes.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 03/11/2022 16:28

Probably won't put this very well, but it's something to do with wanting to be noticed for doing something they can actually do easily. Pretending to be disadvantaged so they can "overcome" the supposed disadvantage.

It's interesting because that sounds a bit like a description of Munchausen Syndrome, which I didn't think was fetish driven, but I just looked it up and apparently there are "two types" when it comes to Munchausen ( www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/munchausen-syndrome/overview/ )

-women who are 20 to 40 years of age, often with a background in healthcare

-unmarried white men who are 30 to 50 years of age

So maybe it's sometimes a fetish, and sometimes something else.

I suppose the big difference between the trans-disabled thing and Munchausen is that the trans-abled people are honest that their condition is fake. I think it probably takes some social privilege to obtain real sympathy for an openly fake condition.

Holdonwharaboutthewaffles · 03/11/2022 16:55

Can't we start the decent treatment of actual disabled folk before the imaginary? Confused

ZeldaFighter · 03/11/2022 21:26

nilsmousehammer · 03/11/2022 08:42

Keep watching. Transaged will sooner or later come as a serious attempt, as soon as some fool opened the door to it being possible to claim a legal fiction of being something you are objectively in reality not, this was always just a matter of time. We'll hear the cries of bigot and it being discriminatory to deny a 50 year old bloke in a nappy access to his local nursery, and to have access to all the spaces and resources for children with No Exceptions.

And at that point I shall be getting out a lot of popcorn and saying to politicians 'We told you so bloody years ago'.

This has already happened in the Netherlands. I'm on my phone so cant post the link but Google Emile Ratelband and it's on the BBC website from December 2018. 69 yo wants to be 20 years younger to avoid discrimination.
"We live in a time when you can change your name and change your gender. Why can't I decide my own age?" He said.
The court disagreed.

Gingernaut · 03/11/2022 21:49

'Transagers' call themselves 'Littles'

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little

They often claim to be regressing to a childhood they never had, due to unspecified 'trauma'

They are often unhappy with therapists who refuse to call them by their 'Little' name, often refuse to engage with therapists who wish to help them overcome their 'trauma' and often wear nappies and inappropriately 'young' clothing.

There is crossover to the trans and furry worlds.

Needless to say, challenge them over their trauma, their fetish, their inappropriate cartoons (tracing over photos of real babies to create their fetish art, sound familiar), their unsuitability to be carers for children and there is a self pitying tsunami of DIE TERF!

beastlyslumber · 04/11/2022 08:45

Jesus H Christ.

What the fuck is wrong with these people.

lady69 · 04/11/2022 08:49

Jo Rowling touched on this madness in one of her earlier Strike books. As usual, she was right.

Bestcatmum · 04/11/2022 08:58

This stupid shit is totally restricted to rich countries. Can you imagine anyone in poor rural areas I third world countries pulling a stunt like this?

nilsmousehammer · 04/11/2022 17:29

Bestcatmum · 04/11/2022 08:58

This stupid shit is totally restricted to rich countries. Can you imagine anyone in poor rural areas I third world countries pulling a stunt like this?

Well let's face it, if basic resources are any kind of an issue, you don't have the luxury of being able to enact being a superbrave athletic paraplegic of the opposite sex up mountains.

Signalbox · 04/11/2022 17:38

It's completely idiotic, but if one protected characteristic is up for grabs I think they should all be. Personally I would like to identify as 67 and claim my pension.

Signalbox · 04/11/2022 17:46

Holdonwharaboutthewaffles · 03/11/2022 16:55

Can't we start the decent treatment of actual disabled folk before the imaginary? Confused

Don't be daft. Trans disabled are much more oppressed and discriminated against than cis disabled people. They cannot even claim disability benefits because people do not accept their right to exist. They are also refused disability affirming medical treatments. No other minority are refused the medical care they need to allow them to live as their true selves. It's tragic.

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