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Most Albanian asylum seekers granted UK visas are trafficked women

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IwantToRetire · 02/11/2022 17:21

Analysis from the Oxford Migration Observatory reveals that 86 per cent of Albanians who received positive decisions on asylum applications in the year ending June 2022 were women, whose leave to remain was granted on the basis that they were likely to have been trafficked and in genuine need of protection.

uk.news.yahoo.com/revealed-most-albanian-asylum-seekers-161018072.html

Just wanted to post this as the main stream media and the politicians are just whipping up hysteria by not reporting statistical facts.

But then its only women so who cares. :(

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Tallisker · 02/11/2022 18:42

bellac I mentioned two completely different things in my post, I didn't mean to conflate the two. Apologies for confusion.

I wondered where the traffickers are from. Are they British gangs? Are they other nationalities?

Kissingfrogs25 · 02/11/2022 18:45

I work in the justice system and the Modern Slavery act may need to be modified or even pulled. It had far too many loopholes that are being exploited by ruthless operators.

We see drug dealers and criminals in court from European countries - we have to offer them bail - they then disappear and return to the U.K. with a new identity and passport and carry on as before.
As a starting point we need to consider ID cards with enhanced. security measures similar to scanning facial passports at the airports. We urgently need to tighten the security in this country. The public would be horrified if they knew what was actually going on. Beside the people trafficking, drug rackets, thriving stolen car operations and fraud on an industrial scale with laws that were meant to protect the truly vulnerable being obscenely abused. It is scandalous and will poison public opinion.

Kissingfrogs25 · 02/11/2022 18:46
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WhatPumpkin · 02/11/2022 18:48

Two hotels near where I live are now housing refugees/migrants, they will be at full capacity soon, 500 men. One of the hotels was housing refugee families for quite a while, absolutely no problems whatsoever. I assume they have now been found housing more suitable for families. They had been working for the British military and were evacuated out of as at serious risk from being executed.

My issue now is it’s all single males, not families, not women anymore and after only two weeks there have been women harassed already with reports of two sexual assaults. Myself and other local women see the area around those hotels as somewhere to avoid now.

Huge amounts of men without women have been an issue throughout history.

lollipoprainbow · 02/11/2022 18:50

@Kissingfrogs25 not surprised at all. When will people wake up to what is going on???

Kissingfrogs25 · 02/11/2022 19:06

Albania is a safe country with a sophisticated westernised society.
No Albanians should be seeking asylum here. They should be signposted home and offered protection with their own DV charities and agencies. Offered new identities and protection in the same way we deal with victims here. I am sorry to say but Albanian women may be at risk of further exploitation if offered asylum here, they then become more valuable to the traffickers.

FemaleAndLearning · 02/11/2022 22:53

When the sex trafficked women get their asylum here where do they go, what support do they get. Do the people trafficking them follow them and enslave them anyway? What is the follow up?

ReunitedThorns · 02/11/2022 23:06

86% or asylum applications accepted are Albanian women. So far 1% of the male population of Albania has attempted to claim asylum. They're not contradictory numbers as those applications are neither accepted or declined yet, so are not related to the number of accepted applications.

The Albanian male is a recent trend (mainly this year I think) and asylum applications can take a few years to process.

ReunitedThorns · 02/11/2022 23:10

Tallisker · 02/11/2022 18:24

Who is trafficking all these people in the UK? It says the highest proportion of trafficked people are British nationals, does anyone know where are the gangs doing the trafficking from?

It makes me so cross that students and other young people bang on about how bad historic slavery was and topple statues and get buildings and streets renamed, but don't seem to give a flying fuck about the current modern slavery happening right under their noses. I wish they'd protest about that.

I think if the human trafficking involves British nationals, then it is related to county lines and the rape gangs. People are trafficked from one town.county to another.

Tallisker · 02/11/2022 23:34

Kissingfrogs25 · 02/11/2022 18:45

I work in the justice system and the Modern Slavery act may need to be modified or even pulled. It had far too many loopholes that are being exploited by ruthless operators.

We see drug dealers and criminals in court from European countries - we have to offer them bail - they then disappear and return to the U.K. with a new identity and passport and carry on as before.
As a starting point we need to consider ID cards with enhanced. security measures similar to scanning facial passports at the airports. We urgently need to tighten the security in this country. The public would be horrified if they knew what was actually going on. Beside the people trafficking, drug rackets, thriving stolen car operations and fraud on an industrial scale with laws that were meant to protect the truly vulnerable being obscenely abused. It is scandalous and will poison public opinion.

When you say the public would be horrified if they knew what was going on, what is actually going on? And if it's so bad, why isn't it stopped?

I'm sorry I have no idea about this, and would very much like to learn, being on the side of exploited women and children in whatever guise.

Tallisker · 02/11/2022 23:35

Thanks Reunited

Tallisker · 02/11/2022 23:38

It is scandalous and will poison public opinion.

Poison public opinion against what? Or in what way?

Hooverphobe · 03/11/2022 07:11

Tallisker · 02/11/2022 23:38

It is scandalous and will poison public opinion.

Poison public opinion against what? Or in what way?

Trash the assumption that all immigrants are revered health professionals?

lollipoprainbow · 03/11/2022 07:17

*It is scandalous and will poison public opinion.

Poison public opinion against what? Or in what way?*

That they are poor vulnerable men escaping torture. The pictures of them on the coaches beaming and giving thumbs up to the cameras as they are driven to their luxury hotels is laughable. People are so naïve. £7 million a day that should be helping us.

Sausagenbacon · 03/11/2022 07:20

We have a very large number of male Albanians entering illegally
And
Those Albanians who are allowed to stay are largely women.
Separate pieces of information that aren't difficult to understand IMO. And rather different from how you presented it OP.

MarshaBradyo · 03/11/2022 07:28

I have seen this statistic repeated a few times but as pp have also said it’s still the case the people arriving on boats are mostly male.

Sausagenbacon · 03/11/2022 07:35

Fwiw, I have personal experience of this. I have no conclusions about what we can do, but I thought it might be of interest.
Through a befriending organisation, I helped a young Albanian woman with 2 small children. She had been given a house to live in and a translator for when she met with professionals while her application to remain was processed. She was here because of domestic abuse.
She was very reluctant to meet other Albanians because they are a close knit community and she didn't want her husband to find her.
Eventually she was deported, but we kept In touch for a while. 1st of all, she was in a Dutch town as she had just been left there. A local mayor took them in.
Then she was just outside Rome, where her husband found her and took away her children. After that she did what she had said what she would do in this situation, come back illegally. She was allowed a certain amount of time to make her case again and disappeared. And we have lost touch.
I did meet a friend of hers who had done exactly that.
I feel sad when I think of her. Heaven knows what she is doing.
But it shows how porous our system is.

MarshaBradyo · 03/11/2022 07:46

Sausagenbacon · 03/11/2022 07:35

Fwiw, I have personal experience of this. I have no conclusions about what we can do, but I thought it might be of interest.
Through a befriending organisation, I helped a young Albanian woman with 2 small children. She had been given a house to live in and a translator for when she met with professionals while her application to remain was processed. She was here because of domestic abuse.
She was very reluctant to meet other Albanians because they are a close knit community and she didn't want her husband to find her.
Eventually she was deported, but we kept In touch for a while. 1st of all, she was in a Dutch town as she had just been left there. A local mayor took them in.
Then she was just outside Rome, where her husband found her and took away her children. After that she did what she had said what she would do in this situation, come back illegally. She was allowed a certain amount of time to make her case again and disappeared. And we have lost touch.
I did meet a friend of hers who had done exactly that.
I feel sad when I think of her. Heaven knows what she is doing.
But it shows how porous our system is.

I think the pp raises a good point what help is in Albania for DV? We deal with DV cases here.

Albania is a safe country with a sophisticated westernised society.

I don’t know the country well, but if so DV agencies should assist as a priority.

Sausagenbacon · 03/11/2022 07:54

Apparently most female Albanian applications are on the basis of dv.
My friend told me she was forced to marry her husband because her father saw her wave to him from her window.
Tbf Albania sounded awful from her description.

orbitalcrisis · 03/11/2022 08:12

@lollipoprainbow Most people who live in areas with a high immigrant population are FOR immigration, not against. It's those who live in low immigration areas who are afraid of the mythical immigrant who comes to this country just to claim unemployment benefits while simultaneously stealing your job! So, I should think a lot of these 'do-gooders' have been affected!

Sausagenbacon · 03/11/2022 08:18

A source for this orbital?

lollipoprainbow · 03/11/2022 08:19

@orbitalcrisis rubbish

Anactor · 03/11/2022 09:10

"Most European countries have way more asylum seekers than the UK, so it's perfectly fair that we take our fair share."

Where do you get those figures from? Admittedly just a quick Google, but from the UNHCR I got a result of the UK being the 4th largest absolute receiver of asylum seekers and genuinely having a massive percentage increase of asylum seekers in 2021 - most other European countries had a net fall. Per head of population we're about midway - 18th.

As a percentage of the EU+EEA+Switzerland, we take 8% of asylum seekers. So per country we're taking more than our fair share, per absolute number we're taking more than our fair share, and per head of population we're about our fair share ...

I'm not sure if anyone's crunched the figures according to current population density.

Rummikub · 03/11/2022 09:16

Wonnle · 02/11/2022 18:09

What I don't get is why they try to get to the UK rather than other European countries

many do claim asylum in other countries.

On Peston last night they showed info on the numbers.

Tallisker · 03/11/2022 10:01

Most people who live in areas with a high immigrant population are FOR immigration, not against

Not true. It was a major factor in the country voting for Brexit - those who lived in towns and villages changed beyond all recognition by immigration voted in very large numbers to leave.

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