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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: ‘Sturgeon’s Tavistock’ clinic offers trans treatments not backed by ‘robust evidence’

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ResisterRex · 27/10/2022 07:27

A very long article about the Sandyford clinic in today's Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/26/sturgeons-tavistock-clinic-offers-trans-children-surgery-not/

"A gender identity clinic’ branded “Sturgeon’s Tavistock” has been offering patients irreversible sex-change treatments despite senior clinicians admitting that its methods are not backed by “robust evidence”, a leaked recording showed.
The Sandyford Clinic in Glasgow, home to Scotland’s only gender identity clinicc_ for children, also authorised hormone treatment and referrals for surgical procedures for its patients after apparently rudimentary mental health assessments, according to unguarded comments by a senior clinician."

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2Rebecca · 03/11/2022 22:19

SIGN is only for Scotland. NICE is the English version

Hoardasurass · 03/11/2022 22:49

Surely by now Stergon has to realise that this isn't going to go away and people aren't going to shut up about it or forget.
People are calling this "Stergons Tavistock" and directly linking it not only to "her" GRA reform but to her "controversial" hate crime bill does she really want this as her legacy? Can she really not see what she's doing?
When she attacked JKR over her t-shirt all she did was amplify the message and I honestly believe it was the 1st time she actually looked scared. The 2nd was when talking about Ash Reagan (sp) resigning. This is passed spin now she can't keep ignoring this can she?

RhannionKPSS · 04/11/2022 14:57

She will try to ignore it but it’s like the elephant in the room. Even on Debate Night this week, it wasn’t mentioned...
She really thought that no one would notice and the television media in Scotland are very much in her pocket.
Have a look at Sharron Davies & her interview on STV a wee while ago about women’s sport. The bias of the reporter was so clear, same with certain male reporters on BBC Scotland.

ResisterRex · 05/11/2022 08:33

More on - as the Times calls it - "Scottish Tavistock"

Families’ anguish as fear silences debate over ‘Scottish Tavistock’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c2f7b050-5c67-11ed-9b1f-f7c251e9dfdc?shareToken=9b74f67bfd2d5f41400c9f7a18c93c9c

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ResisterRex · 05/11/2022 08:40

Meanwhile in Florida...

www.nationalreview.com/news/florida-bans-puberty-blockers-and-transgender-surgery-for-minors/

I assume the ban can't extend to private care? But not sure

"The Florida Board of Osteopathic Medicine also voted to ban the use of puberty blockers and sex-reassignment surgery in new patients who are minors but allowed an exception for children enrolled in clinical studies.
Florida is also one of at least nine states that prohibits Medicaid coverage of gender-transition services.
“The chief point of agreement among all of the experts — and I must emphasize this — is that there is a pressing need for additional, high-quality clinical research,” said the board of medicine’s chair, Dr. David A. Diamond, a radiation oncologist."

They also cite the England situation, which looks to be using phrasing directly from Cass:

"A clinic that offered gender-transition services for children in England was closed down after NHS England found it was “not a safe or viable long-term option.”
An investigationn into the Tavistock clinic in London revealed that other mental health issues were “overshadowed” by gender concerns. Children who expressed gender dysphoria were often given puberty blockers. The U.K.’s health advisory board determined last yearr that there is “very low” evidence that blocking puberty in children with gender dysphoria is beneficial.
Psychiatrist David Bell, a whistleblower who raised concerns about the Tavistock clinic, has also called for a Scottish clinic that offers gender-transitionn_ services for children to be closed immediately."

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Hoardasurass · 05/11/2022 09:00

The ban does extend to private care according to the TRAs

ResisterRex · 06/11/2022 10:05

Sunday Mail front page

twitter.com/sunday_mail/status/1589030840104787969?s=46&t=Ko4g8LS4xuaCe0DVC3aGdw

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/11/2022 10:11

ResisterRex · 06/11/2022 10:05

nice big picture of Nicola alongside a story about the state undermining parent's relationships with their children there

this is turning into political poison for her

rogdmum · 06/11/2022 10:16

I wish I’d known the article was being written! I could have given them the utterly batshit internal guidance from my daughter’s former school!

334bu · 06/11/2022 10:29

Thanks for links.

SudocremOnEverything · 06/11/2022 13:28

It’s incredible that the actual guidance insists trans isn’t a safeguarding or wellbeing issue.

And institutions actively instructed to collude against parents. All under the laughably named Getting It Right For Every Child policy.

Well done SNP. What a lovely progressive utopia you’ve created!

SudocremOnEverything · 06/11/2022 13:30

rogdmum · 06/11/2022 10:16

I wish I’d known the article was being written! I could have given them the utterly batshit internal guidance from my daughter’s former school!

I’d suggest that you should share it with them. It’s not one school. It’s endemic.

RhannionKPSS · 07/11/2022 14:52

SudocremOnEverything · 06/11/2022 13:30

I’d suggest that you should share it with them. It’s not one school. It’s endemic.

You can still get in touch with Daily Record / Sunday Mail about this. They have good circulation in Scotland. This is an appalling situation & the more people, especially parents who are made aware , the better.

ItsLateHumpty · 07/11/2022 23:00

SudocremOnEverything · 29/10/2022 11:33

Something that strikes me even from the criticism of whistleblowers is that the idea of ‘evidence-based practice’ is seriously distorted in all things trans. It seems to be practice seeking out evidence in the service of enabling the existing practice (and the demands of activists). When it should be practice that emerges from and responds to thorough systematic review of the best possible evidence.

The whole thing has horribly confused user wants with user needs in incredibly dangerous ways. A very vulnerable person - particularly a child - who is seeking to
address issues in their life by making irreversible changes to their body with lifelong negative effects is most certainly not someone whose current wants are at all aligned with their needs. unquestioning affirmation and fast tracking intervention actually makes it much, much harder to meet their needs.

It’s terrifying. And an emblematic example of what happens when you try to solve a problem defined on the basis of wildly inaccurate assumptions. And what happens when powerful interest groups are determined to thwart any attempt to question or challenge the assumptions that serve their purposes.

I read this today and it reminded me of your comment

twitter.com/KCMiller1225/status/1589400413912322048

“Idk how to feel about this.
Got into a discussion about transition with my mom, and after reminding me how insistent I was that I needed to transition, she finally retorted, "I just gave you what you wanted!"

Which I get.
I DID want to transition.
But now I regret it.

This has been the response for many things from many people, "all I did was give you what you wanted."

I feel torn.
I felt like I wanted it but looking back, that wasn't the actual issue.

I can't speak for others, but I guess I did get what I wished for.

I don't know who else to blame.
I don't want to blame anyone but I know I didn't do any of this on my own.
Am I fully responsible for this?
These accusations aimed at myself haunt me.

Then again some of my thoughts deviate from reality and I have been known to act against my best interests, so maybe I'm not the best judge of these kinds of things.

Maybe I never was.

Maybe none of us ever were.”

Whats happening to kids is a travesty Sad and I truly hope there is a reckoning.

SudocremOnEverything · 08/11/2022 08:13

That’s exactly the sort of illustration of my point that I just wish didn’t exist.

it’s terrifying that the state (government, schools, nhs) seems determined to demonise parents who actually just care about their vulnerable child’s needs.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 08/11/2022 09:13

SudocremOnEverything · 08/11/2022 08:13

That’s exactly the sort of illustration of my point that I just wish didn’t exist.

it’s terrifying that the state (government, schools, nhs) seems determined to demonise parents who actually just care about their vulnerable child’s needs.

I'd go further, and it seems to me that it's terrifying that the state seems determined to turn a blind eye to all of the various actors to whom destroying the liberal democratic western model is a serious aim -

Russia and China clearly benefit from and want a weakened west
Queer Theory is literally there to destroy society as we know it - why is it tolerated in universities?
Religious extremists - we need to challenge all religious extremism vehemently. Religious belief is fine, but there is a point where it can start to push evil ideas (and religion needs to be contained. (Hard to do but I believe pushing for things like homosexuality to be illegal or religious courts to adjudicate some issues, or the right to genitally mutilate boys - deeply deeply wrong).
Global companies who refuse to pay their fair share of tax where they operate are undermining the entire concept of a functioning state, and getting educated and healthy labour for free.

Obviously vulnerable kids are a assive priority, bt it seems to me that the west has become complacent and assumes it can simultaneously muddle along with no sense of purpose or focus, yet still swat away threats with ease.

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