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Telegraph: ‘Sturgeon’s Tavistock’ clinic offers trans treatments not backed by ‘robust evidence’

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ResisterRex · 27/10/2022 07:27

A very long article about the Sandyford clinic in today's Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/26/sturgeons-tavistock-clinic-offers-trans-children-surgery-not/

"A gender identity clinic’ branded “Sturgeon’s Tavistock” has been offering patients irreversible sex-change treatments despite senior clinicians admitting that its methods are not backed by “robust evidence”, a leaked recording showed.
The Sandyford Clinic in Glasgow, home to Scotland’s only gender identity clinicc_ for children, also authorised hormone treatment and referrals for surgical procedures for its patients after apparently rudimentary mental health assessments, according to unguarded comments by a senior clinician."

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SudocremOnEverything · 29/10/2022 15:14

Removal of the penis is penectomy.

SudocremOnEverything · 29/10/2022 15:16

I agree that emasculation is a very problematic.

Penectomy and bilateral or orchiectomy does not make someone less male. It just removes some body parts that only male humans have.

ArabellaScott · 29/10/2022 15:19

Thanks, Sudocrem. I think.

SudocremOnEverything · 29/10/2022 16:56

If you’d asked me a year ago if I’d be googling to find that out… yeah. Ridiculous. And yet here we are. 🤷🏻‍♀️

ResisterRex · 31/10/2022 08:26

Front page of the Scottish Daily Mail today:

twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1586854199869861888

An investigation into the Sandyford clinic:

www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20221031/281496460226765

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ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:39

'Reasonably-minded Scots believe there is room for transgender rights to be protected alongside women’s rights to safe spaces and their protected, sex-based characteristics.

The Scottish Government though is effectively saying that we can’t have both and that women’s rights must be sacrificed. It is effectively seeking to create a two-tier system of human rights where to be a woman living in Scotland is to be denied many of the rights men enjoy.'

From the Herald article above

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:42

And in the comments:

'The journalist cites an example of a rape victim not being guaranteed a safe space at a rape crisis centre? How can this be? I thought I would check this matter out a bit further to see what I came up with and it transpired the rape crisis centre in Edinburgh is run by a man who identifies as a woman. He dresses as an Asian women but has a penis. Our Scots government employ him. Tell me Im imagining this stuff because I wish I was and it was not true.'

ResisterRex · 31/10/2022 09:54

JKR has tweeted this as well so it should get to a lot of people:

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1587014510564573186?s=46&t=w0hIZEvLjm0PdzgOlfB4ew

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FlibbertyGiblets · 31/10/2022 10:02

Arabella. The rape crisis centre CEO does not have a GRC. They are on record as liking to sit in on counselling sessions. This person recommends that traumatised women who want to use the centre's services must not object to males being present, even if the presence of a male is triggering. And in fact, a triggered, trauma response is bigoted and the woman must reframe their trauma, sorry, "unacceptable beliefs" or be declined assistance.
Aren't they a nice person?
[Heart eyes] /sarcasm

Unseelie · 31/10/2022 10:11

When are doctors going to realise that it’s completely normal, even expected, for girls to be upset about growing breasts and starting periods? Doesn’t mean chop them off and sterilise us!

Unseelie · 31/10/2022 10:12

FlibbertyGiblets · 31/10/2022 10:02

Arabella. The rape crisis centre CEO does not have a GRC. They are on record as liking to sit in on counselling sessions. This person recommends that traumatised women who want to use the centre's services must not object to males being present, even if the presence of a male is triggering. And in fact, a triggered, trauma response is bigoted and the woman must reframe their trauma, sorry, "unacceptable beliefs" or be declined assistance.
Aren't they a nice person?
[Heart eyes] /sarcasm

Think the term for someone who forces rape victims to describe their rape to a man is trauma voyeur / sadist.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 31/10/2022 10:32

Unseelie · 31/10/2022 10:12

Think the term for someone who forces rape victims to describe their rape to a man is trauma voyeur / sadist.

And one could probably get banned from MN coming up with a very long list of other words that most on here would regard as fair.

FlibbertyGiblets · 31/10/2022 10:32

Shudder, yes you're right.

ResisterRex · 31/10/2022 21:08

The Scottish Daily Mail in print:

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1587176385805697029?s=46&t=Q9TuTj0iEf5fInuhJqLIJQ

And it's been picked up by the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/31/children-young-nine-prescribed-puberty-blockers-nicola-sturgeon/

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Wherediditallgo · 31/10/2022 21:20

Nine years old? It’s state-sanctioned child abuse.

IcakethereforeIam · 31/10/2022 21:31

The comments under the Telegraph article Shock!

Although 'What's worn under the kilt? Nothing, it's all been surgically removed.' Did give me a grim chuckle.

ResisterRex · 31/10/2022 21:32

It was DH who told me about the Telegraph coverage. Even paused the TV "have you see this?!" he was incredulous.

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ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 22:30

FlibbertyGiblets · 31/10/2022 10:02

Arabella. The rape crisis centre CEO does not have a GRC. They are on record as liking to sit in on counselling sessions. This person recommends that traumatised women who want to use the centre's services must not object to males being present, even if the presence of a male is triggering. And in fact, a triggered, trauma response is bigoted and the woman must reframe their trauma, sorry, "unacceptable beliefs" or be declined assistance.
Aren't they a nice person?
[Heart eyes] /sarcasm

Yes, I know! Just good to see other people reading about this and instantly seeing the issues.

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 22:41

Study here, but it's paywalled.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33855617/

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 22:45

www.nationalhealthexecutive.com/articles/nhs-scotland-funding-gender-identity-healthcare

'The NHS Gender Identity Services Strategy Action Framework has been backed by a £9 million investment which will help improve access to and delivery of NHS gender identity services.'

(This is from last year, just found it while looking for the study link).

nauticant · 01/11/2022 08:22

Today's Telegraph article was highlighted by Justin Webb in the newspaper review on the Today programme on Radio 4. Cue outrage on twitter by activists and those who identify as progressive:

twitter.com/Faewik/status/1587351918250262528

7.43am summarizes 98% of the tiny number of youngsters correctly given the benefit of #PubertyBlockers go on to gender confirmation as being a self fulfilling "medicalizaton pathway"

When is 98% a failure?

The answer to the question is: it's a failure when detransitioners exist in non-negligible numbers.

FrancescaContini · 01/11/2022 08:28

Justin is doing a great job at bringing the issue to the attention of a whole demographic who may not be very aware of the issue. I wonder if he lurks here? Or posts, even?

Thank you, Justin!

Ramblingnamechanger · 01/11/2022 08:56

Finally some parts of the BBC are waking up to the scandal that is emerging around children’s mental health and affirmation. but we are also still hearing biased nonsense.

Birdsweepsin · 01/11/2022 09:02

It's unravelling. Slowly, but it is.

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