Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

Its always irritating
i like the word ‘some’ 😒

Honestly I swear we've gone backwards in this thread!

I understand that there were 3 incidents involving Jeanna and/or spitting that we have seen footage of.

1. Tall individual with shortish dark hair and sunglasses is right in Jeanna's face. Prepares to spit at Jeanna, who swiftly blocks with her placard and sprays mace. This person DOES NOT look like a teenage girl. Footage and photos have been posted earlier in the thread.

1. Possible teenager dressed in black with red hoodie/hat on. Runs up to Jeanna with a can of what turns out to be silly string. Jeanna sprays mace which mostly hits an adult man who was standing on the opposing side. Footage has been posted in this thead.

1. As the women are walking away, they are followed by protestors some of whom get in front of them to face them. One is the teenage girl who claims to have been maced and to be allergic to it (she is wearing a cream top, black trousers and a hat.). There is as yet (unless I've missed it) any footage which shows this happened, although a video of the women being followed has been posted.

It is not clear which of the above people Jeanna was talking about in her posts (attached again for clarity), but I think person number 1 is the least likely so why are some people taking as fact that it was them?

Cheers @antelopevalley thanks for the clarification, so they only got up to the face of the SFW woman, and tried to spit right in her face. Someone else was repeatedly screaming she was a nazi. Well, that makes them sound so much better.

....no, worse. I meant to say worse.

If you had spent much time on this board, you will know that there are a range of views as to 'can' tell.

I expect that I can tell 90+% of the time in real life who is a male, when in a position where I can see the entire body (clothed) and listen to them speak. I might be wrong. But so far, I can pick them pretty consistently.

I have trans teenagers in my everyday life. I am very familiar with transboys. Are you, livvy?

By the way, Livvy, do you have anything other than your own eyes and Jeanna's assertion that this person is a female? Am I wrong that you tried to tell us they were also a child, when they have admitted they are over 18?

I could not find confirmation by that person on this video of their sex or their gender in fact.

So, the reality is, YOU could be misgendering a male just as easily as I missexed a female.

At least, I have said that I could be wrong.

Oh. Yes, Screaming. Thank you.

I actually remember reading that yesterday but in my brain fog, I missed that the tweet I posted was possibly about the String sprayer.

I did suspect that person was a female. Yes. And had a female friend with green hair.

I too will recheck it out.

I expect that I can tell 90+% of the time in real life who is a male, when in a position where I can see the entire body (clothed) and listen to them speak

Including seeing bear hands. And walk. As someone with poor distance vision walking is something that I can generally pick.

And for what it is worth, I don't think that I could have the same level of detection for a female who has had testosterone for a long time. Their speech can give them away. And I am not just talking about voice, I am also talking about speech patterns and the way they discuss and answer things.

Bare hands.... although 'bear' hands could be accurate as well.

You’re pretending that a can of silly string looks like a can of pepper spray. That’s rather like saying a nerf gun looks like a 9mm handgun.

Did you think about this at all when you wrote it?

This is pretty vile when you break it down.

This was a meeting of women where women should be able to meet in public and speak about their experiences without being threatened in ANY way. I have been to them here, and remarkably, NO protestors have turned up. Admittedly, there was one protestor who was waving a flag from afar. Fine. Not one woman at that meeting, outdoors in public was threatened in any way. Nor was the protestor.

At this meeting in Tacoma, a woman was there who had been attacked days before at Portland.

This time she brought pepper spray. I am not even sure of what I would do in her situation. And surprisingly, when I asked you, discovereads you have avoided answering. I take it that YOU don't know what you would do, or maybe now you will double down and state that you would just stand there and let whatever would happen, happen.

Now, you, as have other posters, have tried repeatedly to minimise the use of 'silly string'. Oh. ..... it is just silly string. ha ha! Nothing to see here. Just like 'it was just pies.'

When is this behaviour, to spray anything unknown into the face of a stranger, in a situation where protestors are very much intimidating women who are there to speak, appropriate? The person being sprayed has NO TIME to assess what is being sprayed.

Do you understand the reality of being sprayed in the face with an unknown spray can?

This question has been avoided so many times now, readers must be wondering why that is?

Next, when would it be ever also appropriate in that situation to draw a nerf gun either? Your comparison is meaningless. Do you honestly think drawing a fucking nerf gun instead of a pistol would be laughed off and ignored? Do you not think that drawing a fucking nerf gun would not have everyone seeing it shouting 'gun' and ducking?

Your comparison doesn't work and is actually pretty vile.

And you say that my posts are demented. Fuck.

You’re pretending that a can of silly string looks like a can of pepper spray. That’s rather like saying a nerf gun looks like a 9mm handgun.

And??! www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/officer-charged-teen-killed-water-gun-b2129493.html

This same female counter protester that your side has been pretending was mistaken and a dropped phone that got near her face wasn’t really thrown, she just might have thought it was. That’s yet more excusing of violence to women…..

That is not what I said. I thought I was quite clear: the people who stole a woman's phone are the most likely people to have thrown it. I absolutely believe it was thrown- it's what school bullies do: they gang up to steal a victim's stuff and throw it around everywhere.

I think the girl is misattributing the violence to the original owner. If Robert throws Petra's PE kit across the playground and it hits someone, that's Robert's fault. Not Petra's.

You're so desperate to parrot back Helleofabore's points back, aren't you?

And that officer has been charged with murder. By that logic Jeanna should be charged as well.

How can anyone read this post and think I am claiming that April dropped the phone near anyone?
Seriously?

Quite clearly, I am saying I don't think April threw it.

She had bear mace and pepper spray. Her own tweets say this.

You're so desperate to parrot back Helleofabore's points back, aren't you?

It's a bit of an odd turn of events, I must say. It's usually a standard TRA tactic.

They adopt DARVO, gaslighting, etc. I have noticed that the concept of feminism is also being used to defend anti-women sentiment.

No one in their right mind can look at these events unfolding and not see women being targeted for talking about trans ideology. I mean it's not as though it hasn't been happening at every single event, since they started. Including We Need To Talk, WPUK, fair play for women, an now SFW. The lot. It's standard practice.

So i've seen plenty of TRAs ludicrously try to spin it the other way. But not really people who may not be TRAs.

I know what TRAs are afraid of, but I'm not sure about those who appear TRA adjacent.

Antelope I have perhaps found your posts most inconsistent.

You have been posting on this thread now for days.

On the 31/10, you posted that you would not defend spitting. That it was wrong.

Yesterday, you made quite a few posts about being a 'feminist' and what type of 'feminist' you were. You even posted this:

'I am a feminist, the old-fashioned kind. The kind who cares about all women. The kind who is anti-racist and rejects anti-immigrant dog whistles.'

And then went and started a new thread declaring your feminist values on this board.

The implication being that this was not a feminist issue and that we were the 'wrong type' of feminists.

Yet, Antelope, you have not once acknowledged the acts of violence against the women speaking and those who attended to meet others and support those speaking on this thread. You have completely avoided the direct questions about it.

Don't you think it is the very textbook of hypocritical of you to declare yourself the superior feminist, yet fail to acknowledge the violence of the actions against women at this event?

Don't you think it is also the very textbook of hypocritical of you to not denounce women being able to have a voice and be able to speak without any threat at all?

Except what you say is not true. I did condemn the spitting and the injured possibly broken hand of a woman.

No one in their right mind can look at these events unfolding and not see women being targeted for talking about trans ideology.

It is really getting beyond the usual fuckwittery.

After all the 'me too' outpourings, the discussions about Sarah E, it seems that there are some feminists, and some clearly male posters, who expediently will dismiss violent acts if they are aimed at people they have dehumanised, through calling of slurs and all sorts of derogations. Particularly, if those people are women.

The lack of acknowledgement of the very basic reality here of acts that can clearly and unambiguously be called violent (as opposed to the two acts of self defence that have been clearly caught on camera) is showing exactly how far society has not come in recognising violence against women.

It has only come so far, with the most tolerant group, of recognising violence against women who agree with them.

And once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Please go back and find the post where you condemned the injured hand? Because I have looked back and I did not see any sign of it.

Did you also condemn the woman who was gashed by a protestor that swung a sign and cut her leg?

Did you also condemn the spraying of silly string? At a woman who was a victim of assault?

Did you also condemn her being pepper sprayed by the male?

Did you also condemn the mobbing and intimidation by that mob?

Did you also condemn the following of scared women while they were trying to leave the area?

Did you also condemn not letting women speak, even if it is words that you and others do not want to hear?

I asked you very clearly what you perceive as violence and what you do not. You have not answered. I am sure anyone reading will draw their own conclusions why.

I am sure anyone reading will draw their own conclusions why.

It's very obvious to anyone reading that the TRA types on this thread have no answers. They just want to fling shit about and hope that some of it sticks.

It's desperate, it's pathetic, it's embarassing for them and it's really fucking tiresome for everyone else.

If a feminist grabbed a trans rights protestor's phone and threw it across the street, we wouldn't hear anything about it being the trans rights protestor's fault!

antelopevalley, why have you not gone back to the thread you started asking who here is a feminist?

There are hundreds of women who have responded to you in good faith. All talking about the different types of feminism and how and why they view themselves as such, or not.

Do the TRAs not realise that Posie would make practically zero impact if they didn't show up to protest? I see those on here are having that same problem of not understanding!

You’re pretending that a can of silly string looks like a can of pepper spray. That’s rather like saying a nerf gun looks like a 9mm handgun.

Did you see how fast all that happened? And there were men in that side carrying cans of pepper spray. If someone was coming towards me with some kind of can in my hand, I doubt I'd wait until I could read the label to react in some way (personally I'd probably just move, but who knows I wasn't there.)