Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

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And International Trade Secretary. I'd have preferred to see her as Secretary of State for Education in addition to Minister for Women and Equalities, but this is good news.

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Yep. She swats it away as irrelevant.

Actually because one doesn’t go along with CRT doesn’t mean one is thick or lazy it means one is just not gullible enough to accept the latest Marxist tripe imported from America to Britain. It also means that one can see through terms like ‘white privilege’ and ‘white fragility’ which are vacuous terms invented by the Left to try and gain the moral high ground in arguments. Intelligent people also realise that CRT does nothing but stoke the fires of racism on all sides. It is to be disowned intellectually and morally.

By a single-sex toilet for women, do you mean a toilet which excludes trans women?

In English as it has commonly been used over the last 100 to 200 years in a predominantly white, patriarchal, heteromormative society, "privilege" has come to mean the rich and the powerful, to distinguish them from less rich and powerful straight white men.

That the word privilege has built up it's informal meaning in a world of implicit racism, sexism and homophobia doos not alter it's true meaning.

But you are right - the reason to use language is to communicate and persuade and if the word fails to do one or both then it needs looking at.

I like Kemi's answer re. pink news! I have high hopes for her smashing this woke shite to smithereens. Come on Kemi!

I can see through CRT but I can't see through the concept of white privilege.

I'm also not sure what makes CRT (or gender ideology for that matter) left wing let alone specifically Marxist.

Love Arabella's advice courtesy of Kemi:

Don't get bogged down by the nonsense of those who have nothing of value to contribute.

We have so much to do.

👏

When you say trans women do you mean human females who identify as trans or human males who identify as trans?

Because obviously a male can’t use a single sex facility designated for female people and the facility also remain ‘single sex.

The moment a male uses it, it becomes mixed sex.

The Equality Act 2010 defines woman as ‘a female of any age’.

It’s important to define terms, ensures we aren’t speaking at cross purposes.

I've looked at it and the GRA in some detail, and it does not ban trans women from women's loos. At the very least, can you confirm you agree with the following:

Trans women currently use women's loos.
GC people want them to stop.

I think that we should start using the word cis-women to refer to trans women.

When they finally achieve equality with women - we are all cis - (they don't have it now because TWAW but real women are cis women) we can s'ip back to using "women" without the cis and hope they don't notice.

I think you are mistaken.

A proportion of males who claim to identify as women (whilst not being able to define what a woman is) convert single sex spaces into mixed sex ones as they enter, and they do this in order to validate themselves as something that they cannot be by definition, despite the loss of privacy, security, dignity and comfort it causes women.

Interesting proposal!

I will stick with the definition in the equality act though - ‘a woman is a female of any age’, no such thing as a transwoman or a ciswoman in UK Equalities Law!

Is DadJoke arguing that both sexes can use a single-sex toilet, without making it mixed sex?

Transmagic, innit!

I didn't use the term "single-sex toilet". But a single sex service / facility for women, by definition, excludes all people of the male sex. As soon as males are allowed to use a single-sex service it ceases to be single sex doesn't it?

Some services / facilities rely on social convention to maintain their single-sex status. This would apply to toilets. If social convention is dismantled, as appears to be happening in the case of toilets, it becomes difficult for them to remain as single-sex. Obviously the single-sex exceptions can be used to provide a single-sex space, but on the whole I think organisations are nervous about using them and probably are not quite sure how to go about doing this without finding themselves on the wrong side of a bunch of badly behaved trans activists. So we have a situation where women's boundaries continue to be pushed and broken down by males who pretend they have always had access to women's spaces and that women have always been OK with it until about 5 minutes ago when all the naughty terfs crawled out of the woodwork. In reality women are just bystanders in the dismantling of their boundaries. We were never asked if we wanted to share our spaces and when we give our opinions we are called names for daring to speak out.

Which bit am I mistaken about:

That trans women use women's loos?

That GC people want to stop them using women's loos?

I'm really quite enjoying how all these transactivists are going off alarming at Kemi's appointment.

As evidenced by dadjoke desperately trying to frame male demands as rights, they've got nothing.

There are no laws set up to strip women of their spaces, privacy and dignity. There is just bad faith interpretation, and stonewall law.

kemi knows what has happened, and she knows how it's happened.

She knows exactly what to do.

That transwomen (a term that doesn’t exist in UK law) have a ‘right’ to use single sex facilities for woman (legally defined as a female of any age).

I've looked at it and the GRA in some detail, and it does not ban trans women from women's loos. At the very least, can you confirm you agree with the following:

You are right that the GRA doesn't ban TW from women's loos. The Equality Act does allow for them to be excluded from them though where there is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim. Providing a single sex toilet facility would meet this criteria.

Trans women currently use women's loos

Some do. I've seen some argue against this.

GC people want them to stop.

Not all GC people do. I've seen some argue otherwise.

That was an unintentional pun.

Of course, this review found Robin's expertise somewhat lacking... www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/02/a-practical-guide/

But you don't disagree with what I've just said - that trans women use women's loos, and that (almost all) want them to stop?

I can see through CRT but I can't see through the concept of white privilege.

The concept of white privilege in crt is that white people are born sinners. No matter what experience a white person has in life, no matter how difficult their lives may be, they should not complain because their natural state is whiteness, which is a state of evil. You can say whatever you like about white people because they are sinners and it means nothing to them.

This seems relevant:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/24/outrage-labour-mp-says-rishi-sunak-pm-isnt-win-asian-representation/

'A Labour MP has claimed Rishi Sunak’s election as prime minister is not “a win for Asian representation” because he is a multi-millionaire who oversaw a fall in UK living standards.

Nadia Whittome, a Nottingham MP who is a member of the Left-wing Socialist Campaign Group, caused outrage after she said Mr Sunak was “not on your side” as Britain’s first prime minister of Asian heritage.'

You do understand, don't you, that people doing something that other people want them to stop doing, doesn't constitute a right?