Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

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And International Trade Secretary. I'd have preferred to see her as Secretary of State for Education in addition to Minister for Women and Equalities, but this is good news.

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Exactly - the left is fighting for the rights of oppressed groups, one of which is trans people. So being in favour of trans rights would therefore make you left wing. The progression of women’s rights is also a left wing issue. So my point was that maybe they’re both on the left, but in direct conflict, because how do women’s sex based rights and trans women’s gender based rights not conflict? How is that issue solved?

Exactly - the left is fighting for the rights of oppressed groups, one of which is trans people. So being in favour of trans rights would therefore make you left wing.

That's rather begging the question, isn't it? How exactly are trans people oppressed, and what rights are you in favour of?

You could argue that billionaires are oppressed by having to pay tax, and arms manufacturers are oppressed by export controls, so fighting for less tax for billionaires or fewer export controls for arms manufacturers would make you left wing.

As trans people's claim of oppression seems to basically be "other people know what sex they are, and sometimes act accordingly", it would seem to fall into that same category of grievances.

Responding to someone's grievance or demand for special treatment is not inherently left wing. It depends what the demand is.

What is the actual definition of left wing? I’ve read multiple political theorists definition but is there actually a flat definition? Personally I’d define myself as relatively far left, but that’s largely irrelevant. I’ve also stated previously I’m not necessarily pro trans, or GC. I don’t understand the issue enough to have a view on it. Trans people are more likely to face discrimination in healthcare, and are often victims of hate crimes and violence (worldwide, not just in the U.K.). I think people should be allowed to live their lives how they want and to define themselves as they please, so long as this doesn’t impact anyone else’s quality of life (such as the issue of sex-based rights). Personally, I’m in favour of trans people defining themselves how they wish and being free of harassment. The issue of same sex spaces concerns me, but also as a butch looking woman I’m also concerned that vigilante policing of women’s spaces will result in me being denied access to those facilities that I’m well within my rights to use.

The issue of same sex spaces concerns me, but also as a butch looking woman I’m also concerned that vigilante policing of women’s spaces will result in me being denied access to those facilities that I’m well within my rights to use.

The answer to this is that biologically male people respect female only spaces and female need for them, and don't try to enter them.

That way, female people will not have to be anxious and suspicious about females who may make them wonder is this a male person trying to deceive them, and which means they cannot use the space or feel safe in it.

There was no issue about how females chose to present at the point we knew regardless of how a female presented, she was female.

TRAs are not fighting for trans rights, they are fighting for trans privileges.

I support trans rights and I will continue to fight trans privileges.

Men who have managed to use equality law so they can cross dress in public, decimate women's sport, sex offend and be sent to a prison full of incarcerated women, and have women arrested for objecting to them using their facilities, are not oppressed.

People objecting to them doing all that, and telling them so, also doesn't make them oppressed.

Had it not occurred to you that you are more likely to be challenged in a women's spaces if the world is one where men are constantly barging in unwanted? In a world where that rarely happens people are more likely to simply assume you are a butch looking woman?

Are there really on two posters objecting to the racism from @WhyAmIPayingFees ????

Absolutely. Tory manipulation. They are really not more likely to support women than other parties. The modus operandi is to create tensions and hatred to avoid people realising the rights they are losing, the harm they are suffering and the polarisation of society.
Far right views are never supportive of anyone.

She was like a nodding dog at PMQS.

I agree @WhyAmIPayingFees's racism is abhorrent.

Reminds me of the Labour MP who recently said Kwasi Kwarteng wasn't really black.

What did whyamIpayingfees say? presumably any racist comment will have been deleted by now.

TheClogLady reading the debate, one of the concerns about buffer zones was that any restriction on rights to protest risks unintended consequences and potential seeping into other issues.

There also seemed to be some technical points on the actual policing of these zones that were probably pertinent, too - at almost all clinics protests aren't a problem, so making a blanket ban risks allocating resources that are sorely needed elsewhere. (I didn't quite follow all the discussions on these zones)

Also it seemed to be suggested that 'prayer' was one of the definitions of 'protest' to be banned, which seemed to risk making someone's inner thoughts possibly illegal.

I actually thought Fiona Bruce's thoughts were careful and nuanced. Despite her faith (and I presume a pro-life/anti abortion stance), she argued in favour of buffer zones for practical and compassionate reasons.

@verastan Lots of people said that, not just Labour!

No, I'm in agreement with you, Wahine.

‘Nodding dog’

Scraping the barrel with this stuff. How much does she rile you.

I would not wish to say that someone is not really black, but it is undoubtedly true that some black people are increedibly privileged to the point that they simply do not share the same experience as most ordinary black people and have been sheltered from all sorts of types of racism.

If black is defined as a majority experience not just as simply a colour then Kwasi Kwarteng is not black. I would not define "black" this way.

@Signalbox no it’s there, I didn’t report this one because I want people to see it. Yes @verastan it’s like what Rupa Huq said about Kwasi and what Nadia Whittome said about Rishi.

why anyone would assume the left wing party is kind or decent when they are full of stuff like this is beyond me. We get in NZ too, the first Maori MP wasn’t ‘the right kind’ ‘ doesn’t speak the language’ ( it used to be banned at school that’s why ) and ‘doesn’t ever talk about it’ ( all comments from the left Inc Labour Party.

I hate it so much.

@YouSirNeighMmmm honestly please shut up. It’s so fucking gross and so fucking inaccurate. Racists don’t care about your money, they just don’t like black and brown people. So stop it. It’s racist what you’re doing

If black is defined as a majority experience not just as simply a colour then Kwasi Kwarteng is not black. I would not define "black" this way.

Sorry!? Who does define it that way??

Yes I've seen it now WahineToa. It's a despicable comment. Quite right to call it out.

I would not wish to say that someone is not really black, but it is undoubtedly true that some black people are increedibly privileged to the point that they simply do not share the same experience as most ordinary black people and have been sheltered from all sorts of types of racism.

They don’t get sheltered from your ugly racism though

WTF

Aye but we're not all the same