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Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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TotallyTERF · 25/10/2022 18:35

I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

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ToGanymedeAndTitan · 27/10/2022 23:59

And I don't give an actual shit if blimey makes me sound a bit Scooby Doo or jolly hockey sticks before anyone says to detract.
Men in the toilets with guns, that's ok as they're "protecting"
Not trans women though because we see them as men!
Men we think are actual men though, bring your guns in the bogs!
You couldn't make this shit up

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2022 00:28

I appreciate her most for refusing to collude in a lie.

This.

paisley256 · 28/10/2022 00:38

I love how she never gets rattled when those opposing her start getting stressed and angry, it's hilarious to watch her composure whilst they're frothing at the mouth. Pure class.

Helleofabore · 28/10/2022 05:30

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 27/10/2022 23:55

Why don’t you go and listen to it yourself then
I have. .
She said something to the effect that those men who carry guns, if they are concerned for their wives and daughters should instead go into the toilets as male and be in there to protect their wives and daughters. And declare themselves women if asked why they are there.
How in the actual fuck is that ok?
Can you hear yourself?;
I mean, you don't want a trans woman in the toilets just in case.
Though you're fine with any men in the toilets with guns just in case to protect us poor women?!
Fuck that, I know which I'd feel less safer with and clue it's the so called protectors of the ladies with their guns!
Cop on a bit Blimey

And yet, I did not say that I agreed with her. I was correcting the falsehood that you seem all too happy to keep spreading.

Plus you have made a leap because of your own prejudice. There is a difference in using it as a descriptor for men who are inclined to protect their families by carrying a gun and saying specifically ‘carry a gun in that toilet and use it to intimidate other males using that toilet’.

The very point she is highlighting is ‘what is the difference!’ Is there a special male badge that males need to wear to be able to use the toilet without causing distress to females who don’t want any male over a certain age there? No.

No difference in a male entering to protect his family vs a male who has self identified as a woman and used the female toilets.

How in the actual fuck is that ok?
How the actual fuck is it ok for any male over about 10 to be using a female toilet?

Can you hear yourself?

Yes. I can. I will be very happy to go through what I just said in my post above and point out where you seem to be lacking comprehension.

Considering the years of posts where we have interacted, I suspect that your question is as performative as your then hyped up outrage at something I have not said.

I don’t agree with her that causing more distress to women and girls using the toilets is acceptable to keep them safe.

If you are going to state publicly that you are upset at something she has done, which you are free to do, then make sure you have the facts right. Repeating false information and deliberate bad faith interpretation

However, while I don’t agree with her, I also am an adult and can readily accept that a) people make off the cuff remarks on a live stream that they haven’t thought through. I have done this myself. And b) even if she said this, I am able to weigh it against what else she does and judge that she is still worthy of support or not. Because that is adult thinking and not absolutism.

Though you're fine with any men in the toilets with guns just in case to protect us poor women?!

Again, you have misrepresented my post. Where have I said specifically that I thought this was a good idea?

Happy to wait for you to find the exact words that led you to draw that conclusion.

Fuck that, I know which I'd feel less safer with and clue it's the so called protectors of the ladies with their guns!

So do you or do you not support any male using the female toilet because they want to? Forget the ‘look at the squirrel’ tactics.

Yes or no?

Are you ok for any male who wants to use the female toilet to use the female toilet?

Then, if not any, which ones and how do you personally assess whether they have that bar for inclusion or not.

Cop on a bit Blimey

I have no idea what that even means and can’t be arsed to look it up. But seems to be just a bit more performative outrage without addressing the facts. Something I judge that you do often.

Helleofabore · 28/10/2022 05:32

Otherwise you are Repeating false information and deliberate bad faith interpretation

a bit got chopped

beastlyslumber · 28/10/2022 07:46

I don't care what she did or didn't say about guns ffs. I'm not interested in policing her every word. She's a brilliant warrior for women's and children's rights and she takes no prisoners. I am so glad she's on our side.

ItsLateHumpty · 28/10/2022 08:30

If I could be half as brave, a smidgeon as articulate, and a bloody 10th as gorgeous I’d consider myself blessed.
KJK is a natural born leader and communicator, and the world needs more women like her, and of course the indomitable JKR.

All the power to their elbows.

As it is, I’m happy to celebrate KJKs genius and laugh at those so jealous I can see the green from here.
Hope they wipe down their screens when they log off… maybe they should just go ‘touch some grass’ 😂

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 28/10/2022 11:01

So much outrage at saying men with guns would protect their wives in the women's toilets (if that was what was even said or meant), but if the man was wearing a dress along with the gun, he'd be welcomed. How do you square that in your head?

TotallyTERF · 28/10/2022 19:23

@ToGanymedeAndTitan

May I ask, are you a feminist?

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Empowermenomore · 28/10/2022 22:28

Flowers to Possie! She is great at mobilising women to share experience! She might not be a feminist in whatever sense she means not to be, but she centers women on her strugle and that is feminism to me. I don’t care if women centering women have right or left political inclinations. I care for womens rights and allowing, whoever wish so, to colonise our language, spaces and entities is a big NO from me. Left sisters need to open their arms to right sisters on this one. Imho

LulooLemon · 28/10/2022 22:38

I haven't read the whole thread. But just popping on to say I LOVE Posie Parker.

I have a batch of her stickers (£5 from her website) and pop them in appropriate places when I'm out and about.

FemaleAndLearning · 28/10/2022 23:26

paisley256 · 28/10/2022 00:38

I love how she never gets rattled when those opposing her start getting stressed and angry, it's hilarious to watch her composure whilst they're frothing at the mouth. Pure class.

Like that GB news interview she did and the other guest threw her rattle out twice by actually ending the Zoom call (twice). Hilarious! But Kelly Jay was as cool as cucumber.

FemaleAndLearning · 28/10/2022 23:29

LulooLemon · 28/10/2022 22:38

I haven't read the whole thread. But just popping on to say I LOVE Posie Parker.

I have a batch of her stickers (£5 from her website) and pop them in appropriate places when I'm out and about.

I pop her stickers on postcards and send to MPs to say thank you (views I agree with) and to those MPs who I don't agree with.
The Famous Artist Birdy Rose has some great stickers for when talking about chikdren, they say puberty is not a medical condition. I like sending them on postcards too.

LulooLemon · 28/10/2022 23:39

👍🏻

ToriaB · 28/10/2022 23:41

First met Posie at the Speakers' Corner she held in Nottingham. Threatened with arrest at Manchester, attacked by "Get in the sea" man as a steward in Bristol. She is amazing, I am the billboard, proud to be part of it. At the WPUK event in Manchester I felt hectored; Standing For Women is open mic for women to speak freely, not be spoken at. Have met wonderful women through it and think she's marvellous.

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 29/10/2022 00:56

I don’t care if women centering women have right or left political inclinations.
I do
As in right wing certainly aren't likely to give as much as a shit about "allowing" a woman an abortion
I think it does matter if you're so called left or right wing.
Extreme right wing certainly don't seem to give a shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy and I'm not about to get on board with that.

Ofcourseshecan · 29/10/2022 01:17

landOFconfusion · 26/10/2022 07:51

Posie Parker has literally argued that giving up the right to access legal abortion in the USA would be a worthwhile sacrifice if it helps achieve her goals.

Like all extremists she is prepared to accept real and tangible harm as the product of her activism.

It rather reminds me of the unnamed US military official who told reporter Peter Arnett that it was necessary to destroy the village of Ben Tre in order to save it during the Vietnam war.

I have no appreciation for Posie Parker and her many ‘friends’. The only emotion she makes me feel is dismay.

As you know, the US military official was defending a mass killing by the invading US army. There was no question of those people having lost, or sacrificed, one right in order to protect another. The action was not intended for their benefit.

Ofcourseshecan · 29/10/2022 01:25

Whatthechicken · 25/10/2022 20:39

Bloody love her. She’s shifted the narrative, she’s enabled us all to speak plainly and concisely. Nobody can mobilise women, boots on the ground, like she can.

As someone said above, we can’t wait for collective agreement on everything…the house is on fire.

Only a few years ago, KJK was accused of transphobia for refusing to use preferred pronouns by some prominent feminists - now the majority refuse, she has shifted the conversation.

I agree, Whatthechicken.

But who were theself-styled ‘feminists’ who accused her of transphobia? There’s nothing feminist about ordering women to pretend they think men are women because we mustn’t hurt male feelings. I’m tired of misogynists claiming to be feminist. Give me honest speakers like Posie any day.

FernlovingNodosaur · 29/10/2022 07:24

ToGanymedeAndTitan I feel the major problem you have with Kelly, is simply that she exercises her right to think and act in a way most men do without thinking about it.
As to guns. Don't peace keeping forces, have guns ? I am no fan of guns either but unfortunately we live in the real world not a fairy tale, or should and those peace keepers would be pretty useless without them wouldn't they?
I will add that left wing regimes seem to have/had no problem using weapons, violence for their cause. (Just Google under Mass killings under communist regimes to see that) I can't help thinking of those lovely pink baseball bats /gun pictures, death, rape threats etc by a certain group that your left love. Yet you and others like you complain about Kelly just for being a woman daring to think and speak differently to patriarchal societal expectation of women, "to be kind" and put men skirted or otherwise first.
I personally admire her for not doing that and putting women's wellbeing and safety first.

Helleofabore · 29/10/2022 09:07

As in right wing certainly aren't likely to give as much as a shit about "allowing" a woman an abortion

And what do you define as ‘right wing’? I think you will find that there are ‘right wing’ women who care just as much about feminist issues as you do and even about abortion issues.

Or are you talking about religious conservatives which may or may not be ‘right’ wing.

So what do you call ‘right wing’ here in the UK? Or are you using a sleight of hand and referring to ‘far right’ but categorising it all as ‘right’ for dramatic effect?

Which creates a far more polarised population than the reality would show?

I think it does matter if you're so called left or right wing.

Extreme right wing certainly don't seem to give a shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy and I'm not about to get on board with that.

And the same can be said about extreme left now too. That the effect of depriving females from having single sex spaces is absolutely not giving a ‘shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy’, yet you seem to be well on board with that.

At the moment the topic may be fitting into a horseshoe model of extreme politics.

Using oversimplified ‘left’ or ‘right’ wing comparisons are becoming meaningless. And makes those who try to use it to polarise conversations like this appear to lack critical thinking on the topic.

beastlyslumber · 29/10/2022 11:13

Excellent comment Helleofabore

Bosky · 29/10/2022 14:26

TheClogLady · 26/10/2022 13:51

There are already multiple threads that thoroughly critique KJK, sometimes entire other topics have become hijacked by KJK detractors!

The Mumsnet search function is much improved of late, much easier to find these things now.

to bring this thread back on topic - I appreciate KJK for repeatedly bringing the attention back to the children and teenagers who are growing up in this peculiar political climate, absorbing societal messages from multiple directions that chip away and self esteem and inflame the natural discomfort of puberty until it become self hatred and self harm.

One of my kids was transed by school without informing us, and the education unions and the left wing political parties are useless.

I went to see my Labour MP (who is former Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities AND former Shadow Secretary of State for Education and who personally knows my family well) and she made all the right noises to my face but refuses to say boo to a goose about any of it publicly.

KJK gives ordinary women strength to speak for themselves when our political representation fails us.

"I appreciate KJK for repeatedly bringing the attention back to the children and teenagers who are growing up in this peculiar political climate, absorbing societal messages from multiple directions that chip away and self esteem and inflame the natural discomfort of puberty until it become self hatred and self harm.

One of my kids was transed by school without informing us, and the education unions and the left wing political parties are useless.

I went to see my Labour MP (who is former Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities AND former Shadow Secretary of State for Education and who personally knows my family well) and she made all the right noises to my face but refuses to say boo to a goose about any of it publicly.

KJK gives ordinary women strength to speak for themselves when our political representation fails us."

Devastating! I am so sorry to hear that the School - and then Labour politicians - failed you and your child and betrayed your trust!

It is easy to see why trans activists have elbowed their way into this thread, ignoring the title and the OP.

However, every "feminist" coming here to attack KJK, trying to undermine her advocacy with slurs and false accusations needs to think about their motivations and the impact.

Try having as much respect for parents as you have for transwidows before you come here to diss KJK.

Acknowledge that KJK has built a grass-roots movement of ordinary women and has inspired others across the globe, where others have put political affiliations above everything else.

KJK has been outstandingly successful - which is also why she is so hated by some. This is not just because she has an effective media presence and is a brilliant strategist but because she respects ordinary women and gives them a voice on this issue, whatever their party politics or none.

To the detractors - maybe you have issues with a handful of things, true things not massively exaggerated and/or misrepresented things, but this is a thread where we are recognising the 99% of things that we can all agree on.

To everyone else - what are your favourite KJK appearances?

I'll start with a blast from the past!

Posie Parker makes a fool of baby Shipman.... on Sky News

TotallyTERF · 30/10/2022 18:04

I have been loving the US tour! Smile

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CrossEyedPanda · 30/10/2022 18:12

TotallyTERF · 30/10/2022 18:04

I have been loving the US tour! Smile

So have I! Seeing armed men protecting women's rights speak is amazing, isn't it?

And seeing a young girl having Bear Mace sprayed at her, and a 57 year old women with broken fingers is totally inspirational!

Well done PP for setting this tour up. What will she do next?

FemaleAndLearning · 31/10/2022 14:58

This is my favourite clip. Interview on GB news. The other woman slapped her laptop twice because she had no arguements against KJK!