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Mordaunt out, Sunak in: a good result (I hope)

87 replies

Sidaway · 24/10/2022 14:14

That's it, really. I'm not a Tory but I was desperately hoping for someone sensible to be in charge for the next two years.

Liz Truss very disappointing on this issue (wasting Kemi's talents on a trade post) - glad she's gone.

Boris would have caused more chaos.

Penny... well, need I say more.

Finally feel I can breathe!

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sosolongago · 24/10/2022 19:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/10/2022 16:53

Feel I can finally breathe!

Me too.

Me too. It is now up to the Tory MPs to show some loyalty. I hope Sunak remembers that 'biology matters'.

ResisterRex · 24/10/2022 19:21

I definitely can't get worked up about the needing a GE to choose the PM line I've seen trotted out. We do not have such a system. You need to be a party member to choose the leader. The electorate then either likes who's chosen or they don't (among other influencing factors).

Seems like this whole agenda grew legs with the GRA (Labour esp Lammy) and then got a turbo boost under the Tory/LD coalition. It's clear no one close to power or decision making (Tories and LDs) looked at it hard enough. Or that they did and waved it through anyway (Mordaunt seems to appear around this time: www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk).

Once we - the electorate (or parts of it) - started to cotton on, it seems like the approach was to ignore it or treat it as a side issue. But we all persisted. And to be fair to the Tories, they've at least hosted a debate and a range of views on it.

It's now clear that the harms are real and not existential. Even so, Sunak could have not addressed it in the summer or addressed it only in the safe, narrow sense of transing minors, subject to a review. He didn't. He went wider than that - I assume having had a crash course from an advisor.

There's quite a list of Tories who are talking about it. They could either ignore it or support it with daft placards, like Labour. Or propose policies that silence their own like the Greens and the LDs. Instead we're in the topsy turvy situation where the Opposition - to whom this should have been a fucking gift - have been cheering on an ideology that harms children and women, and makes excuses for sex offenders to get out sooner and pose a danger to the public.

Meanwhile, the current government (which is in a total tailspin) looks more likely than not, to be poised to address it. Which will mean the hard truth that it happened on their watch.

Sunak could ignore it. He's so rich, it's unlikely to ever affect him or his girls. But that isn't what's been happening.

Any government is going to have to make cuts. We'd arguably be making fewer of them if the Opposition had done its job and questioned lockdown. Again, that was down to the Tories being much more of a broad church than us having a probing Opposition.

Once we lose our sex-based rights or rights to say no to the state taking our kids because we don't affirm their gender identity, those rights are gone.

While they're still in power, the Tories need to fix the mess that started under Labour and got much much worse under them. I'll be grateful to them if they do, and if they make it impossible for Labour to bring in "gender identity" or self-ID, or permit the kinds of activity we've seen happen in the charity sector, public sector, and at GIDS.

SallyLockheart · 24/10/2022 20:34

There seems to be quite a few comments that Sunak's cabinet will need to embrace politicians from across the wings of the party and look for aptitude and tenacity in those appointed. The backing of both Kemi and Suella - both on the right of the party - was seen as an important switch from Boris to Rishi and both of them (Kemi and Suella) are very pro-women's rights and not afraid to speak out.

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2022 20:35

I was pleased

Especially with all the winding up of they’ve got the votes going on

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2022 20:36

PinkFrogss · 24/10/2022 18:32

This.

There should have been a GE.

I am absolutely dreading the budget

No thanks to a GE. More instability and time out

The markets have improved, we need that foundation at least

Mollyollydolly · 24/10/2022 21:28

Nobody is cheering. We've all got bills to pay and we're not all loaded. I'm not anyway. I just think he's the best of a bad lot, we need stability or I wont even have a pension to claim next year at the rate we're going.

GyozaGuiting · 24/10/2022 21:30

I agree Op, I’m pleased.

hellesbells · 24/10/2022 21:32

Whippet · 24/10/2022 16:11

Is also pretty cool to have our first Hindu and first Asian PM.

Agree. Find it rather ironic that it is the Conservative party that has delivered on both female and ethnic minority PMs now though!
Labour can hardly claim to be the party of diversity really.

This is hilarious the men in suits removed all those woman, pretty quickly in the case of May and Truss

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 21:37

TheClogLady · 24/10/2022 18:56

Tbf I don’t think anyone here is celebrating in a general way, only in a, pick-a-Conservative-from-these-very-limited-options way?

None of the options were going to be fiscally beneficial for working class or lower-middle class people, let alone people entirely reliant on benefits due to disability or serious illness.

So the choice comes down to fiscally shit for most of us and knows what a woman is.

Or fiscally shit for most of us and pretends not to know what a woman is.

’Not a Tory’ wasn’t one of the options available.

TBH, I think if there was a GE today and Labour won, they would not be in a position to do much that is different with the economy. There isn't money there, and borrowing isn't an option.

Strategically it is probably better for Labour for RS to deal with it now.

TheClogLady · 24/10/2022 23:05

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 21:37

TBH, I think if there was a GE today and Labour won, they would not be in a position to do much that is different with the economy. There isn't money there, and borrowing isn't an option.

Strategically it is probably better for Labour for RS to deal with it now.

I agree.

The last thing Labour want right now is to win responsibility for fixing the economic shitshow.

Whippet · 24/10/2022 23:12

hellesbells · 24/10/2022 21:32

This is hilarious the men in suits removed all those woman, pretty quickly in the case of May and Truss

By all means, feel free to ignore the female PM who was in power for 11 years!

No, what’s hilarious is that the best Labour can offer is a leader afraid to say a woman has a cervix and EI in your nan’s frock who claims to be in girl mode some of the time…

At least it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so desperately awful for women and girls 😟

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 07:59

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/10/2022 16:53

Feel I can finally breathe!

Me too.

It’s almost like you have no idea whatsoever of the ‘brutal’ budget that’s just about to be unleashed. Have even taken a cursory look at his policy?

We have a guaranteed recession to now deal with, a slash and burn to all funding including the NHS, forget about your energy support or support of any kind.
It’s going to be fucking ‘eye watering’ according to Sunaks OWN team, so whilst it’s nice you can now ‘breathe’ one suspects you are just one of the millions entirely unprepared for the reality of team Sunak.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 09:19

With regards to the budget talk - this may come back to bite me but as a carer on UC I benefited from Sunak's policy of an extra £20 a week for 18 months during the pandemic so I'm really not convinced by the fearmongering, particularly as Labour's Reeves has repeatedly stated she will crack down on welfare claimants. Any government MUST give support for energy costs and I'd much prefer the original Tory plan than the awful 6 month Labour copy Hunt just brought in. The NHS scaremongering is just that. We'll see anyway.

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 10:00

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 09:19

With regards to the budget talk - this may come back to bite me but as a carer on UC I benefited from Sunak's policy of an extra £20 a week for 18 months during the pandemic so I'm really not convinced by the fearmongering, particularly as Labour's Reeves has repeatedly stated she will crack down on welfare claimants. Any government MUST give support for energy costs and I'd much prefer the original Tory plan than the awful 6 month Labour copy Hunt just brought in. The NHS scaremongering is just that. We'll see anyway.

You are very relaxed, when actually you are very exposed to some of the cuts coming. It’s not fear mongering.
I have read and listened to Sunaks actual policies and goals - have you? Perhaps you should if not, and be prepared for some very difficult months.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 10:12

Musomama1 · 24/10/2022 15:50

I think he was the only sensible option and I wish they'd got him in the first place. Might say more about attitudes of party members voting for a very English Liz Truss over the chancellor that just happens to be British Asian.

I did wonder this as Liz Truss was a completely incomprehensible choice and RS a 'safe pair of hands'

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 10:33

Of course I've read them Kissingfrogs25. Please don't insult me. I've read and listened to both main parties rather than the fairy tales some like to tell themselves and although in truth it can't really get worse for me at the bottom, Labour don't seem a viable or safe alternative (I've spoilt my ballot at the last few elections). Plus, as I said, I've already had a concrete benefit from Sunak's policies which I wouldn't have had from Labour and the NHS still hasn't been sold off to American disaster capitalists so your fearmongering doesn't really work.

Apollo442 · 25/10/2022 10:34

The members 'almost' got it. The vote against Truss was closer than expected. I think Rishi's consistent message that Truss's plans wouldn't work was starting to get through. I think the members would have overcome their possible issue with being asian and he would have won against Mordaunt if it had come to that.

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 11:07

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 10:33

Of course I've read them Kissingfrogs25. Please don't insult me. I've read and listened to both main parties rather than the fairy tales some like to tell themselves and although in truth it can't really get worse for me at the bottom, Labour don't seem a viable or safe alternative (I've spoilt my ballot at the last few elections). Plus, as I said, I've already had a concrete benefit from Sunak's policies which I wouldn't have had from Labour and the NHS still hasn't been sold off to American disaster capitalists so your fearmongering doesn't really work.

I am sorry to hear it is so tough for you. I and truly.

It’s actually the middle class working population that is most likely to feel the real damage. Maybe the triple lock will be added to the bonfire.
I hope that Sunak will ring fence support for people in your position 💐

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 11:08

Apollo442 · 25/10/2022 10:34

The members 'almost' got it. The vote against Truss was closer than expected. I think Rishi's consistent message that Truss's plans wouldn't work was starting to get through. I think the members would have overcome their possible issue with being asian and he would have won against Mordaunt if it had come to that.

We will soon know, members have been asked to say which way they would have voted, and if they will vote cons in the next election

Tanith · 25/10/2022 11:33

Whippet · 24/10/2022 23:12

By all means, feel free to ignore the female PM who was in power for 11 years!

No, what’s hilarious is that the best Labour can offer is a leader afraid to say a woman has a cervix and EI in your nan’s frock who claims to be in girl mode some of the time…

At least it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so desperately awful for women and girls 😟

Rishi Sunak also struggled with this question:

order-order.com/2022/03/24/rishi-struggles-to-define-what-is-a-woman/

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:23

He's appointed Kemi Badenoch as Minister for Women and Equalities 👍

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 18:27

Just coming on to post. Very good news.

I'm not so sure about Gillian Keegan getting Education though.

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:31

I don't know anything about Gillian Keegan. What's the lowdown on her?

mcduffy · 25/10/2022 18:33

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:31

I don't know anything about Gillian Keegan. What's the lowdown on her?

Saw on Twitter she's TWAW and has taken advice from stonewall. Didn't copy the tweets for receipts though!

Dave20 · 25/10/2022 18:41

But would Labour really do things better? Genuine question? I wonder if Kier Starmer is privately scared of becoming PM right now ?

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