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Mum takes 14 yr old to Poland for top surgery

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/10/2022 07:06

It seems as though a market has developed for 'gender affirming' surgeries in Poland being offered at very low prices.
To make such life chaging decisions about your child's healthy body, paying for and enabling it I can't understand.

Mum takes 14 yr old to Poland for top surgery
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Polly99 · 24/10/2022 09:44

If it made my child smile to have her body mutilated (albeit by a surgeon) I'd be rigid with fear for her future.

The idea that these children are going to finish having all these treatments and just be happy without ever regretting what has happened and without addressing the underlying issues that made them think their developing body was the enemy in the first place is sheer stupidity.

JellySaurus · 24/10/2022 09:53

If remote, very poor people of a different race were carrying out mastectomies on certain girls, and were giving them potions to make them sterile, how would we describe that?

Breast ironing is considered child abuse. But when wealthy, white, Westerners take their child to have an elective mastectomy, it's considered progressive, wonderful, life-affirming. By some people.

WarriorN · 24/10/2022 09:57

Breast ironing, met police:

Breast ironing (also called breast flattening) is when young girls' breasts are damaged over time to flatten them and delay their development. Sometimes, an elastic belt, or binder, is used to stop them from growing.
Breast ironing usually starts with the first signs of puberty and is most often done by female relatives. In most cases, the abuser incorrectly thinks they're behaving in the best interests of the child. They believe flattening the breasts will make the child less 'womanly'. They hope this will protect the girl from harassment, rape, abduction and early forced marriage, and help them stay in education.

Breast ironing can cause serious physical issues such as:
• abscesses (a painful collection of pus that develops under the skin)
• cysts (fluid-filled lumps under the skin that can develop into abscesses)
• itching
• tissue damage
• infection
• discharge of milk
• breasts becoming significantly different shapes or sizes
• severe fever
• the complete disappearance of one or both breasts

Although there's no specific law within the UK around breast ironing, it's a form of child abuse.

Find out what the signs of this abuse are, what you can do if you’re concerned about someone and how to get help if you’ve been affected.
Signs and symptoms of breast ironing
There are many signs that breast ironing could be happening to a girl. These include:
• avoiding medical examinations
• not wanting to get undressed in front of anyone
• difficulty lifting their arms as the breast area will be tender to move and touch
• walking or sitting hunched over
• some girls may ask for help, but may not say exactly what the problem is because they're embarrassed or scared
• unusual behaviour after time away from school or college including depression, anxiety, aggression and withdrawal
• a girl is withdrawn from PE and/or sex and relationship education classes

www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/breast-ironing-flattening/

WarriorN · 24/10/2022 10:02

In Victorian England FGM / "clitorectomies" was a medical treatment for "hysteria."

It persisted in the US till the mid 20th century, on white women.

Violent Physical Abuse of women and girl's bodies has long been excused as medically necessary.

FrancescaContini · 25/10/2022 08:44

@WarriorN shocking

ScrollingLeaves · 25/10/2022 09:14

With women, if anything was wrong, it was considered ‘hysteria’ too.
(From the on line etymological dictionary)
^hysteria (n.)
nervous disease, 1801, coined in medical Latin as an abstract noun from Greek hystera "womb," from PIE udtero-, variant of udero- "abdomen, womb, stomach" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus. With abstract noun ending -ia. General sense of "unhealthy emotion or excitement" is by 1839^.

I think they also removed the ovaries when a woman was considered to be promiscuous.

Later, if women were troubled, the medical profession moved to lobotomies.

This book in the image is excellent. It stops near the end of the 1980s. No doubt the author would have had something to say about girls and women being given hormones and surgery to ‘correct’ their healthy bodies had this been a prevalent course of treatment then.

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