Another surrogacy nightmare

[GrabbyGabby]

What the fuck will happen to these babies?
www.newstalk.com/news/im-terrified-for-my-girls-safety-irish-father-of-triplets-born-in-kenya-1394106?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1666210282

This is what happens when humans are allowed to be bought and sold.

Offering up their wombs

The commodities babies have been imported brought to Ireland. Apparently they were nearly three months premature. So the Irish health/social care/education system will be bearing the burden of these fragile children throughout their lives.

m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/our-daughters-are-home-finally-irish-couple-reunited-with-surrogate-triplets-born-in-kenya-42116141.html

He says "Ireland needs to change its laws" but they were born in Kenya to a Kenyan woman and yet, he still got them home in under a month. What law in Ireland caused the delay. He cannot seem to acknowledge there was a very justified medical bill.

Oh my God the comments on this article on Facebook would make you weep. All congee and love hearts. What is wrong with people??

Zero mention of the woman who carried TRIPLETS. Jesus I hope I am alive for the tribunal of enquiry into this shitshow when it comes.

Certainly not to a woman without fertility problems, which women undergoing IVF for surrogacy purposes are!

It is madness to transfer so many.

The commissioning person(s) wishes are being entirely centred here. Ignoring all other moral issues with surrogacy, it is selfish beyond belief to take such a risk of having three babies at once from one pregnancy. The odds of all three implanting were unacceptably high and it's not him who will live with any health issues of prematurity. It's those babies who will.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was hoping for triplets, to be honest, and that's why three were transferred.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was hoping for triplets, to be honest, and that's why three were transferred.

I read his claim that it was done without his knowledge but privately paid for fertility doctors, whether they are in Kenya, Ireland or Ukraine, will not spend the time and resources preparing 3 embryos (when one will do) if this hasn't been agreed and paid for.

To imply it was done without knowledge and consent also suggests that the doctors are not operating within limits and can 'go rogue'. I have no experience of Kenya's fertility clinics but I very much doubt that it wasn't a very deliberate act, like the rest of the surrogacy arrangement. I also like to think that the surrogate mother knew before all three were transferred.

Now that he has these three, prematurely born, newborn baby girls I hope he doesn't need another crowdfunder for nappies and formula. I'm surprised at the speed this was done and can only guess that the legal granting of parental rights and permission to leave the country was done quickly to get rid of him and transfer the babies to a country with a national health service.

One day these children will learn what their fathers did. At least one of them will need to formally adopt them to obtain any legal parental rights and this will all be documented and their mother will also be named on the original birth certificate.

It's so strange at a time when heritage and identity are seen as hugely important, to create children whose heritage and identity are so badly obscured.

White babies born to a black mother in Kenya, raised in Ireland by two white men... Goodness knows whether they're getting any advice on how to tell the girls.

Those poor babies.

There was one woman in among the love hearts who posted "hope the mother is safe and well".

Probably an undercover terf 😉

And let’s not forget the mental and physical impact on the mother of carrying and giving birth to triplets. Is there any information anywhere on HER state of physical and mental health?

No.

The commissioning men don’t seem to have met her, only seen a photo.

She’d already left the hospital before they arrived (presumably she would’ve been charged by the hospital for any stay beyond the birth, the men paid the hospital bills for the birth and SCUBU/baby ward but they had assumed it was included in the surrogacy price set by the agency, it wasn’t, hence the crowdfunding).

Nothing at all has been said about the mother’s health. The reports from other Kenyan surrogate mothers suggest that they generally aren’t even allowed to see the babies and they are taken away as soon as they are born.

@TheClogLady what you say is shocking, particularly your final paragraph.

There is some excellent reporting on surrogacy in Kenya earlier on the thread, by a Kenyan journalist, Naipanoi Lepapa.

Almost everything I have learned about surrogacy in Kenya is from her.

www.theelephant.info/long-reads/2021/05/28/hard-labour-the-surrogacy-industry-in-kenya-part-i/

www.theelephant.info/long-reads/2021/05/29/hard-labour-the-surrogacy-industry-in-kenya-part-ii/

(screenshot is from part 2 of the elephant article)

Thank you. I will definitely look at this.

I've just seen a facebook post by an Irish news outlet where 9K people have liked this post and 500 have commented - the vast majority of comments are congratulations, a small number asking where his partner is in this and an even smaller number asking questions about the surrogate.

Those girls will have attachment disorders which will afflict their whole lives. Who will take on triplet babies? By the time any with the power has decided their fate it will be too late to bond. Who do they have? The baby tigers bred by Joe Exotic would fare better. And if they don’t stay together… It doesn’t bear thinking about.

Sorry just read the rest of the thread. So they’re together at least. Still… what a life.

It’s a strange situation.

Obviously, babies (including other mammals!) are best looked after by a relative, but it’s such a strange way to be a father - almost like a one night stand only without actually meeting the mother at all.

I wish this situation had never arisen but it has and it’s going to be better for those three little girls to grow up in Ireland (they may well have long term health conditions and/or SEN) where dad’s extended family are - glad to hear there is a supportive sister as those girls will deffo benefit from an auntie figure, what without having a mum.

I hope the mother is healing, wherever she is and that the financial recompense promised materialised (some Kenyan surrogates aren’t getting the money promised, and while I would prefer commercial surrogacy not to exist at all, that doesn’t mean I want the women currently engaged in it to be ripped off by human traffickers and gangster-like ‘agencies’).

I wonder where the egg donor is? Presumably there is another woman involved somewhere as it’s extremely likely the Kenyan mother is black (less than 1% of Kenyan residents are white). Egg donor could be literally anywhere, if frozen eggs where used… I know the gay couple flew out to the clinic to supply sperm (you can see that trip on their Instagram).

This (general this) can’t be good for humanity!

The one saving grace re: the girls ability to form attachments is there is three of them - obvs not identical so more like sisters who happened to be born together.

It looked like the Kenyan hospital had them sleeping in one bassinet as much as possible. Hopefully they will grow up strong and healthy and will always have each other.

I don't think the extended family will approve much, if they are travellers as previously said. As I understand it, homosexuality isn't accepted.

Let's hope the sister is able to stay involved. Triplets is a big task, regardless of the circumstances. Special equipment, and often needing two carers.

Well his sister went with him to Kenya and he says his family provided some of the money he needed so it sounds like they are supportive, or at least some of them are.

I’m glad of that. Raising triplets is as big ol’ ask of anyone, regardless of the circumstances of how they were born, so support of extended family is so important (hard enough to get a non-relative baby sitter willing and capable of looking after 3 young siblings, let alone triplets! )

Gosh that's great. I'm pleased for them.