Oh come on New Scientist...!

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bobbinon · 17/10/2022 21:34

You are supposed to be a bastion of scientific rigour!

Ffs

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FernPotts · 18/10/2022 23:08

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 22:01

Peer-reviewed academic journals are steeped in ideology, too:

An article in BioScience claims: "At their most beneficial, biology courses can teach students to question heteronormative and cisnormative biases in science and society. On a larger scale, by encouraging an inclusive and accurate understanding of gender and sex in nature, biology education has the power to advance antioppressive social change".
academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/72/5/481/6547662?login=false

To which Emeritus Professor of Evolutionary Biology Jerry Coyne retorted:
'My response would be “at their most beneficial, biology courses teach students what biology is all about, to inspire them to learn biology, and to learn the methods by which we advance our understanding of biology. It is not to advance antioppressive social change, which, of course, depends on who is defining ‘antioppressive’.”
whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/10/18/an-ideology-infused-paper-on-how-to-teach-college-biology/

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I know, but I find it too depressing that Science, Nature etc have decided to compromise scientific clarity for the sake of gender terminology.

ChateauMargaux · 19/10/2022 07:09

@Brefugee ...

Also the words of Tracee Ellis Ross

The innocuous makes space for the horrific and women have to live with the effects of both and everything in between.

When someone helps themselves to a woman's body (or words or spaces - my additions) it not only triggers discomfort and distress, but the unspoken experiences of our mothers' lives, our sisters' lives and generations of women before us. That is life times of dealing with men who assume we know better for use than we know for ourselves.

My words again..
We have spent centuries battling for share of voice ... we cannot cede ground in the battle against misogyny. I am reading 'A History of Misogyny by John Holland'... it is compelling.. also read Mary Beard's Women and Power and Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez... and maybe you will be convinced of the reasons why we should not budge an inch.

Brefugee · 19/10/2022 07:12

I don't disagree with any of this.

This is not a hill I'm going to blow all my powder on. I will accept "women and..." other people may not. But here we all are going round in circles.

MrGHardy · 20/10/2022 16:37

Does the self-identify grammatically belong just to the Asian or also to the white non-Hispanic?

And if you self-identify as white non-Hispanic, do you magically have shorter cycles?

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