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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tom Daley interview

85 replies

zanahoria · 15/10/2022 11:55

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tom-daley-interview-knitting-book-b2202849.html

Tom is angry at women who want their own category in sports and the interviewer does not even quiz him on it.

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Shmithecat2 · 15/10/2022 11:58

Ugh. Knew what an actual woman was when he wanted to buy a baby though. Bloody hypocrite.

Halstead · 15/10/2022 12:01

Shmithecat2 · 15/10/2022 11:58

Ugh. Knew what an actual woman was when he wanted to buy a baby though. Bloody hypocrite.

Absolutely nothing more to say.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Aside from the fact NO ONE IS BANNING TRANS PEOPLE FROM COMPETING!! They just need to compete with fellow members of their own sex.

ReunitedThorns · 15/10/2022 12:03

Adults are banned from the junior events, no one falsely complains that adults are banned from competing.

fruitbrewhaha · 15/10/2022 12:14

I don't understand why people, who are of reasonable intelligence, find it so hard to comprehend why you can't allow a man to compete with women.

And that trans people just have to compete in the sex they were born.

And when he discusses that if he was told he couldn't compete he wouldn't have tried, does he not understand that there are thousands of people who could do very well in sport who don't have to the opportunity either though lack of encouragement, family finances, time etc? Probably kids are unable to train and compete in sport due to poverty than being trans, but he isn't doing anything about that.

FunnyTalks · 15/10/2022 12:34

Tom is a misogynist.

Misogyny is what allows otherwise intelligent people to hold these views.

A misogynist reporter and a misogynist newspaper do not challenge these views.

A misogynist society applauds people who hold these views. It's often especially necessary for women to be misogynist to get ahead.

This misogynist society exists in an often even more misogynist world.

AutumnCrows · 15/10/2022 12:35

Twat.

user1494050295 · 15/10/2022 12:36

This

user1494050295 · 15/10/2022 12:37

Shmithecat2 · 15/10/2022 11:58

Ugh. Knew what an actual woman was when he wanted to buy a baby though. Bloody hypocrite.

This

WallaceinAnderland · 15/10/2022 12:38

Tom Daley: ‘I’m not transgender, but if I was told I couldn’t compete because of who I was, I’d never have tried’

What about if you were told that you could compete but that you would never win, Tom? Would you have tried? Because that's what you're asking women to do.

SiobhanSharpe · 15/10/2022 12:40

WallaceinAnderland · 15/10/2022 12:38

Tom Daley: ‘I’m not transgender, but if I was told I couldn’t compete because of who I was, I’d never have tried’

What about if you were told that you could compete but that you would never win, Tom? Would you have tried? Because that's what you're asking women to do.

Excellent point, Wallace.

Joolsin · 15/10/2022 12:42

Shmithecat2 · 15/10/2022 11:58

Ugh. Knew what an actual woman was when he wanted to buy a baby though. Bloody hypocrite.

Yes.

Are there any comments on the article, I can't see as I'm not a subscriber.

JacquelineCarlyle · 15/10/2022 12:48

I used to be such a Tom Daley fan but buying a baby and now this is just terrible. Such a misogynistic prick.

bigblueyonder · 15/10/2022 12:50

And the big problem is people who believe transwoman are the same as a woman in every aspect (usually men). They are not. They have been through male puberty, have the body type of a man, the male self confidence and no amount of hormones, wigs, make up and dresses will ever change that.

Some transwomen do acknowledge the difference, some are more appreciative of the struggles woman face and respect that. Some just use their 'trans' status to their own advantage.

zanahoria · 15/10/2022 12:51

The journalist is so feeble, accepting Tom's 'broader' point without asking him why he he thinks women should not be allowed women only events. Not even pointing out that FINA's decision came about via a rebellion of female swimmers backed up by ex stars like Sharron Davies.

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Catiette · 15/10/2022 12:56

“We should be sending out a message to everyone that everyone is welcome no matter who you are, where you come from, your gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, whatever it is, everyone should feel welcome when they try sport,” he says. We don’t get into the question of fairness, here: the counter-argument runs that divers who were born biologically female would be at a clear competitive disadvantage. But So Daley’s point is a broader one. “I just think of myself girls and young women starting out on their careers when I was younger. I’m not transgender, obviously, but if I was told as a gay man female I was never going to be able to compete because of who I was (because, after all, inherent in the concept of competing is the potential to win), then of course I’d never have tried.”

Fixed.

So simple.

The only difference is that the "never going to be able to compete" is more accurate in my version, above, as women will be totally excluded from meaningful competition in the world he envisions, whereas "never" in his original version is a misrepresentation of "won't be feel able to compete in my preferred category."

Naivety? Hypocrisy? Bloody-mindedness? Sheer lack of intelligence? Misogyny?

Infuriating, regardless.

Createausernamehere · 15/10/2022 12:56

Shmithecat2 · 15/10/2022 11:58

Ugh. Knew what an actual woman was when he wanted to buy a baby though. Bloody hypocrite.

THIS

Smilelesstalkmore · 15/10/2022 12:57

Tom is just another in the long line of misogynistic men who just don't see women as equal. They see women as primarily there to serve the needs of men, whether that be through providing their wombs for men to rent so that they can have their own baby, or through moving over in their own sporting category to allow males to compete in them if they want.

Of course men like Tom think that women should be able to get their own jobs, have access to an education or be able to vote. Hell, he even thinks they have to right to have their own category in sport - but only on the condition that those women understand that a women's category merely exists to validate males who want to compete in it, nothing more. Any woman getting above her station with the notion that only females should compete in women's sport is a 'hateful bigot' who needs taking down a peg or two.

Also, his fucking knitting gets right on my tits.

Catiette · 15/10/2022 12:57

(Of course, my amendment doesn't quite work - I appear to have changed Daley's sex to make my point... but you get it, regardless!)

zanahoria · 15/10/2022 12:59

Then the rest of the interview is about lovely Tom and his lovely kitchen, his lovely husband, his lovely kid, how he thinks about his lovely grandma and the Queen, his lovely knitting and his lovely designer outfits that he is so brave wearing on the tube.

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Catiette · 15/10/2022 13:00

(No, realised it does work - he's speaking hypothetically. Tired...)

Twiggywinkle13 · 15/10/2022 13:04

Funny that he was clear about biological sex when he was looking for a surrogate?

Halstead · 15/10/2022 13:06

And the big problem is people who believe transwoman are the same as a woman in every aspect (usually men)

Until it comes to dating/being intimate ….

Smilelesstalkmore · 15/10/2022 13:07

Halstead · 15/10/2022 13:06

And the big problem is people who believe transwoman are the same as a woman in every aspect (usually men)

Until it comes to dating/being intimate ….

Or when you need to rent the womb of another human.

Anydaynowonewouldhope · 15/10/2022 13:09

It’s funny how no one ever worries about trans men who delay medical transition so thst they can compete in women categories

SallyLockheart · 15/10/2022 13:20

Tom said

If people, especially LGBT people, or any minority really, get complacent with the rights that we have, if we don’t continue to try and fight for more equality and more legal protection, then people will come and take them away,” says Daley

well Tom substitute women for the word minority, and there we have it

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