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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gendered Intelligence and "It's obvious that competitive fairness is incompatible with self ID"

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ResisterRex · 14/10/2022 20:21

twitter.com/runthinkwrite/status/1580940519739654145?s=46&t=fPHSGnK2PPUNpYDd5COCXQ

"Interesting and good statement here: @Genderedintell can't cope with the SCEG report and have stopped working with @Sport_England

This is on GI: It's obvious that competitive fairness is incompatible with self ID...

genderedintelligence.co.uk/latest/sport-england-031022.html"

From their statement:

"When the updated Guidance was released, it became clear that Gendered Intelligence would not be able to support it. We could not deliver training or produce documentation which repeated or supported the core messages of the Guidance, like the claim that, “Competitive fairness cannot be reconciled with self-identification.” This meant that there was no practical way to continue with the work while also supporting the community we serve. We have a responsibility to stand up for better inclusion and equity for trans people in sport, and the updated Guidance does not reflect this. We fed these views back to Sport England, but there are no short term plans to review the Guidance."

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/10/2022 20:45

Good. That's progress.

Amazing how the word "no" sends a group like GI into a meltdown. Just shows how powerful they've become in removing women's rights and safeguarding that they can't contemplate democratic discussion, factual debate or even contemplating that others have rights.

bellinisurge · 14/10/2022 20:55

Ha ha. The grift is coming apart.

Helleofabore · 14/10/2022 22:29

I saw this. I guess if they cannot influence the outcome anymore, they really should get out.

They are grandstanding, but I think everyone is also waiting for the World Athletics decision next month.

Hoardasurass · 15/10/2022 10:17

If gendered intelligence really wanted to help encourage/increase trans participation in sports at all levels they would be working with the men's teams to make them more inclusive of transwomen in the same way that women's teams happily accept transmen who aren't on testosterone (due to anti-doping rules).
But they won't because it's not about participation it's about validation of transwomen as women and it would seem from their statement that they don't care about the safety, fairness and participation of women in sports as anything other than validation props

mcduffy · 15/10/2022 10:41

Hopefully Athletics and the ECB/ICC will see sense and make use of their "open" category and protect the female category.

donquixotedelamancha · 15/10/2022 10:55

there was no practical way to continue with the work while also supporting the community we serve.

The patronising arrogance of these people to think that trans people can only be served by denying reality. They would rather do no work on inclusion than accept they must also support fairness for women.

It highlights how much these so called TRAs don't give a shit about actual trans people and only want to push a particular political agenda.

TheBiologyStupid · 15/10/2022 21:29

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/10/2022 20:45

Good. That's progress.

Amazing how the word "no" sends a group like GI into a meltdown. Just shows how powerful they've become in removing women's rights and safeguarding that they can't contemplate democratic discussion, factual debate or even contemplating that others have rights.

This!

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 15/10/2022 21:52

genderedintelligence.co.uk/latest/sport-england-031022.html

This didn't work for me so I went to the Twitter page and clicked from there and it was fine. But it looks like the same link. Are they blocking referrals from here?

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 15/10/2022 21:53

ahh no, my version works! it's just the MN forum messing up the link somehow.

AlisonDonut · 15/10/2022 22:22

Why would GI be experts on sports enough to be paid to deliver training on anything?

Igmum · 15/10/2022 22:30

Wonderful news. Those toys are just flying out of the pram

NumberTheory · 16/10/2022 04:06

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 15/10/2022 21:53

ahh no, my version works! it's just the MN forum messing up the link somehow.

OP appears to have accidentally included a quote mark on the end of the url. It’s not GI or MN, just a typo.

Cheekymaw · 16/10/2022 04:39

Are they still having meeting with age groups 8 to 28 year olds? Another lot that needs to have their safeguarding policies looked over .

FunnyTalks · 16/10/2022 07:38

One used to be able to invoke an appearance on MN from gendered intelligence by writing gendered intelligence. I'm not sure if it still works?

Datun · 16/10/2022 07:40

it's not about participation it's about validation of transwomen as women and it would seem from their statement that they don't care about the safety, fairness and participation of women in sports as anything other than validation props

This. It's really quite impressive how so many people can write such a number of reasonable sounding words that just mean if you won't let us use women for our own ends and destroy their sport in the process, then fuck you.

We have a responsibility to stand up for better inclusion and equity for trans people in sport, and the updated Guidance does not reflect this.

We want men to ruin women's sport and you won't let us.

Hoardasurass · 16/10/2022 07:42

@FunnyTalks fortunately not however if you mention a specific lawyer and the word bundle in the same sentence they will arrive 🤣

Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 07:45

So they are admitting there is a conflict between ‘trans rights’ and the rights of women?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2022 08:12

AlisonDonut · 15/10/2022 22:22

Why would GI be experts on sports enough to be paid to deliver training on anything?

They're not experts on anything (except presumably trans issues). Yet they self identify as experts in education, child psychology, safeguarding, sport, the law, medicine and weigh in with their demands that everything is changed to ensure personal validation. Many useful idiots actually pay them to deliver these demands in the guise of training!

ResisterRex · 16/10/2022 08:12

Sorry about messing up the link! Confused

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Boomboom22 · 16/10/2022 08:17

They are literally saying it out loud! Do they really think most trans people don't agree with competitive sport? I just find that so unlikely, so extreme. In my experience trans people and allies do not believe this, in fact are half way gc they just miss what is happening thinking gc are bad meanies, this will help now all these organisations are being so clear they want validation not equality.

Datun · 16/10/2022 08:18

Interesting that they've even made a statement. They could have just discontinued whatever it is they they're doing and shut up about it.

Presumably they thought the statement would garner them support. From where I'm standing, they're getting that wrong.

nilsmousehammer · 16/10/2022 09:49

It's really quite impressive how so many people can write such a number of reasonable sounding words that just mean if you won't let us use women for our own ends and destroy their sport in the process, then fuck you.

This.

The desired aim is blatantly that women surrender themselves in all context to therapise males. Less gendered intelligence than male supremacist obstinacy.

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