Suffragette flag appropriation?!

[IloveHolby]

Just saw this on a Glinner update and thought hang on a minute that Gender Queer one looks familiar! 😮

When all your flags are stripey and most are 3-coloured, there are a limited number of combinations.

I'd assume it's intended to be "trans flag but not using blue or pink cos we're even more interesting". Doubt it's a deliberate collision with the suffragette colours.

What's the meaning behind the suffragettes' usage? I don't think I've ever heard it.

White for purity, green for hope and apparently purple for loyalty and dignity.

I don’t think it was deliberate appropriation just ignorance.

It’s been the “genderqueer” flag for a while. Most people ignore it and continue to say it’s the suffragette flag, which it is. Let the angry children seethe.

Just had a name change no reason other than I felt like it (was Holby). I did mean this as a semi light-hearted thread. I very much doubt it was deliberate - but will TRAs now think we are 'gender queer' if we wear or wave the suffragette colours?! To be fair a lot of us probably are 'gender queer' anyway as non conforming to the 'barbie vs action man' gender stereotypes. 😂

Colors: Purple, White, and Green

These were the colors used by the Women’s Social and Political Union in England. They adopted these colors in 1908. Purple represented royalty and “the royal blood that flows in the veins of every suffragette, the instinct of freedom and dignity;” white represented purity; and green represented hope and “the emblem of spring.”[a] Alice Paul protested in England with the Women’s Social and Political Union in England, and brought the tactics of their leader, Emmeline Pankhurst, back to the United States. [4]

You do occasionally see people in gendery circles ask with an apparently straight face they see "TERFs" using the genderqueer colours.

Yes and sometimes you see them complaining about us appropriating their flag. 😂

Well a while back a few ''genderqueers'' were having a tantrum that the terfs had nicked their flag colours...the colours the Suffragettes were using for women's rights 100+ years ago

I was just looking on Wikipedia (yes...) for references, and a few good pics there. Monochrome, of course.

Never having actually researched that whole bit of history, but having followed this fight very closely, it's a bit weird. Seeing 1900s women doing 2020s-type stuff...

I guess the flag is really supposed to be vertically-striped, France-style? But easier to write slogans on when hung vertically.

The flag of the National Woman’s Suffrage Congressional Union replaced green with yellow. As ever, complicated & a bit tangly, but the key reason was that leading members felt they couldn’t afford to suggest close association with the WSPU, whose violence alienated many of the women suffrage movement [meant to be] for, never mind impact had on men they needed to get to engage with & support campaign!

The National Park Service has some nice accessible info on symbols of the women’s suffrage movement in the US.

The “OMG they totally stole our flag!” tantrums mercifully seem to come from outwith the UK; so we don’t yet need to utterly despair of our education system.

Anyway, the NUWSS had red white & green as their colours but at no point did the [then] Kingdom of Italy declare war. I don’t think it’s because they felt the wee shield on the middle of the tricolour was what was preventing any kind of confusion, either.

It's maybe apocryphal, but I seem to remember that the initials of the colours were also used as signifiers - Green (Give) White (Women) Violet (the Vote)...

I've seen comments about 'stupid TERFs appropriating the gender queer flag'. KJK uses green at the top, then white then violet for the Let Women Speak pins. It is the one that means Give. (green) Women (white) the Vote (violet).
We made a flag recently and used those colours. I don't want to be mistaken for gender queer, whatever that is!

Cross post!

No rainbow for gay men? That’s ominous!

It may well have been just ignorance by someone in the US or Canada of the U.K. suffragette colours.

@FemaleAndLearning the Green for Give, White for Women and Violet for Votes is a new thing, in no way associated with the suffragettes (although it would’ve been nice if it was). The green is for dignity, white for purity and purple for royalty, as a PP explained above.

I read somewhere that the green or the purple is a different shade.

Or was it the white? Anything's possible with this lot!

White is a spectrum. Or something.

White can identify as whatever colour it wants

I thought black and white weren't colours but something else?

I thought black and white weren't colours but something else?

Electromagnetically speaking white is a mixture of all other colours and black is the absence of colour.

However, since all colours in are head are just mixtures of the three colours we actually see, it's quite hard to be sure any colours are what they claim to be. That green in the flag might reflect no green light at all and still look green to us. Magenta, for example, doesn't even exist.

Then how do we know that the green we see looks anything like the green others see?

I find it amazing that we can all agree and accept the same words to describe this complicated and nuanced phenomenon but we can't agree on a word for the 50% of us with a cock.

Thanks for that don. I knew my kids educated me on this in primary school but couldn't remember!
Humans love to categorise and sort we do that so we have agreements but also be ause some things are a binary (sex) and some things are not a binary (height). But now a part of the population are saying the categories don't suit them. Despite stating repeatedly that intersex has nothing to do with being trans and is not as common as redheads they still say it! It is like there are a set of commandments that must be learnt and adhered to. How do they even know how many redheads there are given this must be a spectrum and not binary! If they don't know what a woman is how do they know what red is?
I've said this before but all these identities having their own flag is like My Little Pony with their unique cutie marks.

That is interesting. Maybe Kelly Jay didn't want to use colours of the gender queer or maybe she sent the colours upside by accident. Either way I think it is good to use.
Maybe the purple in the genderqueer is a mix of the trans colours blue and pink? Don't know what the green would mean though, if they have any meanings.

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I'm guessing the lesbian one is only for the meat and two veg variety.